Grader "belly" blade "spring" ????

[Brockport Bill 1,933]

Can someone with a WH Grader belly blade measure the spring it has and send me the approximate length and width so I can go try to locally buy a replacement spring?? Grader blade is model # 07-50bm02 - the spring is part # 102572. Just trying to best match its length and tension ---- Thanks, Bill

[8ntruck 7,793]

Probably should get the wire diameter of the spring as well.

[Achto 29,385]

7 hours ago, Brockport Bill said:

Can someone with a WH Grader belly blade measure the spring

 

I assume that you are talking about the spring for the pivot handle.

 

1 1/2" long by 3/4" o.d. not a real heavy spring,  kinda light wire. Don't think that it is real important on the strength, it jut needs to hold the handle up so that it stays locked in.

 

Had to wait for a break in the rain to go take a look at my blade. 5" of rain in the last 3 days & still coming.

[Handy Don 13,997]

12 minutes ago, Achto said:

5" of rain in the last 3 days & still coming.

Well we show goers had three days at close to 100 with narry a drop of precipitation. Thankfully the humidity was moderate.

 

 

Springs have so many specifications--fascinating!

 

Tension or compression

Number of coils

Gauge of wire

Wire material

ID (or OD)

End treatment (ground, open, hook, loop,...)

Pounds per inch of displacement

For compression: length uncompressed and compressed

For tension: length unloaded and at maximum tension

[Brockport Bill 1,933]

3 hours ago, Handy Don said:

Well we show goers had three days at close to 100 with narry a drop of precipitation. Thankfully the humidity was moderate.

 

 

Springs have so many specifications--fascinating!

 

Tension or compression

Number of coils

Gauge of wire

Wire material

ID (or OD)

End treatment (ground, open, hook, loop,...)

Pounds per inch of displacement

For compression: length uncompressed and compressed

For tension: length unloaded and at maximum tension

yes Don  - - many factors to the best match of a spring to an original WH OEM -- i was hoping a close approximation guess would be enough for me to go to local specialty store and get a variation - that although perhaps not a perfect match but instead would be functional and serve the purpose -- any added insights or specifications anyone could advise would be helpful -- my option is simply spend the $20 at Toro for the proper spring -- was hoping to spend a few dollars less for an imitation bought at a local store??????? thanks, Bill

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,451]

Have always admired the parts illustrations for their accuracy and the spring is likely no exception.

Item 38 is the spring

https://www.partstree.com/models/06-42bc02-toro-42-dozer-blade-1981/snow-blade-42-in-107-cm-vehicle-identification-number-06-42bb01-06-42bb02-3/

[Handy Don 13,997]

7 hours ago, Brockport Bill said:

spend a few dollars less

Absolutely one of my favorite ways to go!

 

My comment about the specifications was only to convey how impressed I am at the many options available for the engineers when precision is their aim.

[peter lena 9,240]

@Brockport Bill , morning , remember when cars had hood springs ?  if you have a local bone yard , they might have a  related pile of  those springs ,  you can also hook up a spring to a  TURNBUCKLE ,  and dial in what you need , when making a hook / mounting connection , like 1/4 "  / 5/16 "  round steel stock , or  stainless welding tig rod , amazingly  strong .  use a similar set up to hold my mower decks up against wall beaming over winter , after cleaning and oil soaking , wide gap S hook on a spring will hang onto anything , shackle's  included , this is not in the book , giving you permission to experiment with the cure , pete 

[Brockport Bill 1,933]

8 hours ago, gwest_ca said:

Have always admired the parts illustrations for their accuracy and the spring is likely no exception.

Item 38 is the spring

https://www.partstree.com/models/06-42bc02-toro-42-dozer-blade-1981/snow-blade-42-in-107-cm-vehicle-identification-number-06-42bb01-06-42bb02-3/

that link you noted is for a front dozer plow -- in this thread I was asking about a grader belly blade 07-50bm02 ? thanks -- Bill

[Brockport Bill 1,933]

4 hours ago, Handy Don said:

Absolutely one of my favorite ways to go!

 

My comment about the specifications was only to convey how impressed I am at the many options available for the engineers when precision is their aim.

yes, absolutely - i agree - thanks

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,451]

26 minutes ago, Brockport Bill said:

that link you noted is for a front dozer plow -- in this thread I was asking about a grader belly blade 07-50bm02 ? thanks -- Bill

Same spring different attachment

Scroll to the bottom of this link. The parts lists for those models contain the 102572 part number.

https://www.partstree.com/parts/toro-102572/

[Brockport Bill 1,933]

16 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

Same spring different attachment

Scroll to the bottom of this link. The parts lists for those models contain the 102572 part number.

https://www.partstree.com/parts/toro-102572/

ahhh - thanks - sorry did not understand that --- appreciate !! Bill

[Brockport Bill 1,933]

thanks all for your help - i located a used spring to purchase from A-Z Tractors - - Bill

[peter lena 9,240]

@Brockport Bill  remember car hood springs ?  very easy to adapt , with shackles , used them on a number of issues , incredibly strong for their size , also very good for holding up your cleaned / oiled mower deck up against the wall , over winter , screw in eye bolt , spring , make up an S shaped large hook , easily grabs deck lift linkage , been doing that for years , pete 

[Brockport Bill 1,933]

2 hours ago, peter lena said:

@Brockport Bill  remember car hood springs ?  very easy to adapt , with shackles , used them on a number of issues , incredibly strong for their size , also very good for holding up your cleaned / oiled mower deck up against the wall , over winter , screw in eye bolt , spring , make up an S shaped large hook , easily grabs deck lift linkage , been doing that for years , pete 

always enjoy your ideas and suggestions Pete -- i have been using screw hooks to screw into shed wall studs -- then the twisty plastic covered twist ties to secure the mower decks to the shed wall hooks -- work pretty well but auto hood springs makes sense as option -- Bill

[peter lena 9,240]

@Brockport Bill  looks good  to me , storage was always an issue , so gaining / finding a better spot ,  is always good . like a 5/16 / 1/4" solid  round rod  bent into a  large  S shape  for easy hook up . pretty scary , sharing an idea . do a similar spring hold to plow / frame , blade on floor , against floor framing , held in place with similar spring set up . makes inspections , improvements , easy , thanks , pete

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

Garage door springs have come in handy here.  Cut them down to the size you need.  

[peter lena 9,240]

@Jeff-C175  thats what i,m talking about , get inventive , rarely look at or find the exact replacement . very often combine the failure point to the opportunity for improvement . just about any swivel , or saposed to swivel point , has a HEIM  joint in it . the angular movement / function , is amazingly  smooth and easy . good for you , pete