Tonytoro416 1,172 #1 Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Nearing the completion of my grandfathers raider and can not get spark to the plug for the life of me. We have already purchased a kit from overnight. I also added a solenoid just because I don’t care for the way all the load went directly to the key switch. I thought these two additions would make tractor more reliable. Although I have not been able to get spark at all. I have tested the stator and it reads 465 ohms consistently. I don’t know what I am missing. Any help or thoughts Edited April 30, 2023 by Tonytoro416 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacer 3,177 #2 Posted April 30, 2023 The stator doesnt give the spark, it gives the lectrics for charging battery, lights, etc. There are 2 elements that make a spark, the revolving flywheels magnet - on the outside of the flywheel - and the coil!! and, having said that, the magnet is very unlikely to give a problem, so.... that leaves the coil and the lead wire to the plug that are going to be the problem - usually the coil is the culprit, but, some of the lead wires are prone to build resistance enough to cause a problem. There are many offerings of both the coil and the wire on the bay, and they are usually quite reasonable - at least the 3-4 'sets' that I have bought were. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 60,224 #3 Posted April 30, 2023 I've never used on of the Overnight Solutions ignition units. Is there something on the flywheel that will activate the magnetic pick up? Did they give you a helpline number to call? Might want to edit your title on this post to attract the attention of someone who has used "Overnight Solutions". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #4 Posted April 30, 2023 29 minutes ago, pacer said: The stator doesnt give the spark, it gives the lectrics for charging battery, lights, etc. There are 2 elements that make a spark, the revolving flywheels magnet - on the outside of the flywheel - and the coil!! and, having said that, the magnet is very unlikely to give a problem, so.... that leaves the coil and the lead wire to the plug that are going to be the problem - usually the coil is the culprit, but, some of the lead wires are prone to build resistance enough to cause a problem. There are many offerings of both the coil and the wire on the bay, and they are usually quite reasonable - at least the 3-4 'sets' that I have bought were. Has a brand new plug wire and coil see pictures Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #5 Posted April 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, 953 nut said: I've never used on of the Overnight Solutions ignition units. Is there something on the flywheel that will activate the magnetic pick up? Did they give you a helpline number to call? Might want to edit your title on this post to attract the attention of someone who has used "Overnight Solutions". Supposed to be a direct replacement. Uses the original trigger pins on the flywheel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #6 Posted April 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, pacer said: The stator doesnt give the spark, it gives the lectrics for charging battery, lights, etc. There are 2 elements that make a spark, the revolving flywheels magnet - on the outside of the flywheel - and the coil!! and, having said that, the magnet is very unlikely to give a problem, so.... that leaves the coil and the lead wire to the plug that are going to be the problem - usually the coil is the culprit, but, some of the lead wires are prone to build resistance enough to cause a problem. There are many offerings of both the coil and the wire on the bay, and they are usually quite reasonable - at least the 3-4 'sets' that I have bought were. If stator has nothing to do with spark wht does the wire from stator to the magneto or “coil” do ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,915 #7 Posted May 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said: Supposed to be a direct replacement. Uses the original trigger pins on the flywheel My first thought was wondering if the air gap distance is correct from BOTH trigger pins to the coil's pickup. What RPM are you trying to get spark? 40 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said: Has a brand new plug wire and coil see pictures I sold auto parts for about 12 years. One of the most valuable lessons to learn is: NEVER assume a NEW part is a WORKING part. 1 hour ago, 953 nut said: Did they give you a helpline number to call? Given that it's their own kit they should really be able to help more than most. Likely it's something small and simple enough. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howie 899 #8 Posted May 1, 2023 I think on the Tecumseh one of windings on the stator does provide current for the ignition. I had to send him one and he rewound or repaired it because of not output. One he can do and not the other. Contact him and he will give you the info to check everything out. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacer 3,177 #9 Posted May 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Tonytoro416 said: wht does the wire from stator to the magneto or “coil” do ? Its used to 'kill' the spark - its a ground. I guess I shud admit that I havent had any dealings with a techy, I've worked on several Briggs and Kawasikis for my experience. And, I DID have a Kaw 17hp that gave me fits getting a spark..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #10 Posted May 1, 2023 I thought it was a kill wire. I’m not sure what I have going on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #11 Posted May 1, 2023 13 hours ago, ebinmaine said: My first thought was wondering if the air gap distance is correct from BOTH trigger pins to the coil's pickup. What RPM are you trying to get spark? I sold auto parts for about 12 years. One of the most valuable lessons to learn is: NEVER assume a NEW part is a WORKING part. Given that it's their own kit they should really be able to help more than most. Likely it's something small and simple enough. I’m not sure as far as rpm. It won’t run Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #12 Posted May 1, 2023 I have the air gap set to .010 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,915 #13 Posted May 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said: I’m not sure as far as rpm. It won’t run When you are spinning it over with the starter do you have a good strong battery? Good strong contacts on all the wires? Do you feel like it's turning over as fast as it should be? 17 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said: I have the air gap set to .010 I didn't read the page you posted above but is that the spec by Overnight Solutions? How many pins do you have? Many of the older Tecumseh engines had two pins. one is closer to the pickup than the other and they are both necessary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #14 Posted May 1, 2023 Has both pins Has new battery it whirls over pretty good. I have talked to guy at overnight. Seems I forgot to clearance a cooling fin. So sounds like it’s grounding itself out 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,915 #15 Posted May 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Tonytoro416 said: Has both pins Has new battery it whirls over pretty good. I have talked to guy at overnight. Seems I forgot to clearance a cooling fin. So sounds like it’s grounding itself out Please keep us posted on the solution once it's running Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squonk 43,899 #16 Posted May 1, 2023 I was going to say unhook the kill wire and let it hang in the air. See if you get spark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #17 Posted May 1, 2023 There is a note at the bottom of the instructions saying to slightly clearance cooling fins. It’s basically grounding its self out it sounds like. I will clearance this evening and see what happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
