RedPower47 111 #1 Posted January 3, 2023 Hey guys, has anyone had any fitment issues running a 10.50 wide tire on a 417A? I have put them on a plenty of 8 speeds but with the hydro fan being there and the hubs are definitely slid in further I’m just worried about them hitting? The stock 9.50 that are on there now already look close, or I might have to go to 8.50s. Thinking of running Carlisle true powers and I know from experience that they run wider than other brands so I might have to go down to 8.50s Thanks 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 23,249 #2 Posted January 3, 2023 Can the hubs be slid out so that they are flush with the end of the axles? That will give you as much clearance as possible. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 67,006 #3 Posted January 3, 2023 with all the years of this and that, possible modification, etc… you’ll need to be the judge of that. Remember if you go 1” wider, that’s only 1/2” on either side of the tire and wheel. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,922 #4 Posted January 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Sparky said: Can the hubs be slid out so that they are flush with the end of the axles? That will give you as much clearance as possible. Unless you cut a groove in the axle you can only slide those out about quarter inch. Maybe a hair more. On the 2 Sundstrand hydros I've seen and the Eaton 1100 that is in a 417a the hubs are flush with the end of the axle and also right up to the outside of the transmission case itself. 6 minutes ago, Pullstart said: Remember if you go 1” wider, that’s only 1/2” on either side of the tire and wheel. Strictly by numerical size that's absolutely true of course. If you were to compare apples to apples on a Carlisle turf I don't think it would be a big deal but he's looking at Tru Powers which are not only a AG tire, they can be commercial grade tire and a little wider casement. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedPower47 111 #5 Posted January 3, 2023 Exactly, the hubs on the 417 are flush with the end of the axle and also tight up against the axle housing so there is no room to move them. I may just end up going with 8.50's because i dont want to find out the hard way after i pay all that money for a 10.50 and they dont fit. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,922 #6 Posted January 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, RedPower47 said: Exactly, the hubs on the 417 are flush with the end of the axle and also tight up against the axle housing so there is no room to move them. I may just end up going with 8.50's because i dont want to find out the hard way after i pay all that money for a 10.50 and they dont fit. You could consider making the investment and time to add a spacer. You'll have to install lugs and studs in the stock hubs which is a great modification anyhow. We've done this to several of our tractors and likely do it to more. I keep a list of needed parts if you're interested. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedPower47 111 #7 Posted January 3, 2023 Not a bad idea Eric! and yea please! i would love a list of parts. thank you 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19richie66 17,654 #8 Posted January 3, 2023 I’m running 10.50’s…… no issues 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,922 #9 Posted January 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, 19richie66 said: I’m running 10.50’s…… no issues Richie what ply rating do you have? I bring it up because I made the mistake of buying tires that were too heavy duty and I had to have them professionally installed with hydraulic equipment. Couldn't even move them with a hand installer. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedPower47 111 #10 Posted January 3, 2023 Richie what tire are you running? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
19richie66 17,654 #11 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) Eric, these are 4 ply radials. They are pretty tough but I mounted them in the yard, manually they are Duro frontier. EDIT….. They are 23-10x12 but they do not rub. Hubs are all the way out even with the axle end also. Edited January 3, 2023 by 19richie66 Corrected tire size. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 7,221 #12 Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) t 2 hours ago, Sparky said: Can the hubs be slid out so that they are flush with the end of the axles? That will give you as much clearance as possible. The hubs are designed so the set screw centers on the woodruff key when the axle are flush on the out side. Moving the hub out will cause the set screw to cock the woodruff key when the set screw has less holding power to keep the hub from moving on out. Just don't do it, it's going to cause loose hubs. Edited January 3, 2023 by Lee1977 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,922 #13 Posted January 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lee1977 said: t The hubs are designed so the set screw centers on the woodruff key when the axle and are flush in the out side. Moving the hub out will cause the set screw to cock the woodruff key when the set screw has less holding power to keep the hub from moving on out. Just don't do it, it's going to cause loose hubs. Excellent description Lee. Thank you. I should have defined what I meant above with full keyways grooves a little better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 72,922 #14 Posted January 3, 2023 2 hours ago, RedPower47 said: Not a bad idea Eric! and yea please! i would love a list of parts. thank you 2 hours ago, 19richie66 said: I’m running 10.50’s…… no issues @RedPower47 Not telling you how to spend your money one way or the other. Just my opinion. If you want the look of the wide stance anyway go ahead and order the spacers whenever I get the list for you. If you're trying to save the money and just make sure that the tires are going to fit, I'd get the tires first. Try them. Worse that happens is they don't fit and you order the spacers like you were already going to probably do anyway. Maybe possibly. 😃🤠 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedPower47 111 #16 Posted January 3, 2023 thanks for all the input guys !! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 10,121 #17 Posted January 3, 2023 You should have no problem at all. As long as the backspace on the rim is correct. I have several tractors that have the same transmission and are basically the same as your 417. GT-1800 Work Horse, C-165 and a 420-LSE. All have 23x10.50-12’s and no issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #18 Posted January 4, 2023 18 hours ago, RedPower47 said: Exactly, the hubs on the 417 are flush with the end of the axle and also tight up against the axle housing so there is no room to move them. I may just end up going with 8.50's because i dont want to find out the hard way after i pay all that money for a 10.50 and they dont fit. Hard to see but these tires are 10.50 on my 416h. It has 1/2” spacer on each side Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bds1984 1,500 #19 Posted January 4, 2023 I have been running 23-10.50x12s on the stock rims of my C165 for the better part of a decade. Not a hydro model, but I don't see any clearance issues arising on your 417. Here is a link to my build and the comment/post where I ended up installing 1.5" spacers to get the wheels lined up with the 520H FSA. You can see the clearance before and after. My vote is to put the tires on your rims and get spacers. You'll like the wider stance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleredrider 409 #20 Posted January 6, 2023 Assuming you have a 7" wheel? If so, then a 10.5 wide tire will be taller and more rounded, but hard to say if gonna have clearance issues. I have 8" wide wheels, and have 23s and 24s, one is an 8-speed so not a fair comparison, but the other is a hydro and had plenty of clearance. I have another with 25x12x12s on 10" wide wheels on a hydro, and no issues there either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Freightliner Guy 1,362 #21 Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) On 1/4/2023 at 12:13 AM, Tonytoro416 said: Hard to see but these tires are 10.50 on my 416h. It has 1/2” spacer on each side what is that a torino? Edited January 6, 2023 by The Freightliner Guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #22 Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, The Freightliner Guy said: what is that a torino? The car directly behind the 416 is my 72 dodge dart 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Freightliner Guy 1,362 #23 Posted January 6, 2023 sweet i knew it looked familiar 68? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonytoro416 1,172 #24 Posted January 6, 2023 1972. Car back in the corner behind the 953 is a 1968 Chevelle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
