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Very hot here this year and big, big crowds! Every swap meet space taken! 85 plus degrees every day so far. I arrived on Monday to help my friend Rodney Burger sell some of his stuff! We are in Row 26, Lot 30,31, and 32 !

Here is the deal. Wheel Horse was sold to AMC(?) in 1973 (?) With out checking. In 1972, your tractor would be a Raider 8. In 1973, it is a no name 8 hp. In 1974, it would be a B-80. Edit to correct the above:: The merger with AMC was in 1974. What happened in 1973 was just the change in what they were naming the horses. In 1973, they went to just naming the horses for horsepower and transmission. Yours became the 8 4 speed.

@Sarge, , You are OK and I hope I get to meet you one of these days. You have a lot to offer and I, for one, am glad you do.

Evidently I ramble on a bit too much, lol..but here it goes again. Look at how close the tolerances are on those gears - they are not fitted all that tight from the factory to start with. Yes, 70yrs takes it's toll but there are key areas to address if you can afford it - this will prevent future failure and possibly damage to other parts as well. Any shaft that a gear set rides upon is important - just a tiny bit of play in bearings will create a wear problem in gear mesh and if allowed to go far enough it can destroy them quickly under a load. Transmissions have a lot of opposing forces - fix those areas the most besides the obvious broken or worn out parts. I would put a gear cluster in it - 2nd gear is used to do a lot of heavier work on most of those early models. As Steve said , partially assembling the shafts/gears will help determine the real wear points - fix those bearings that show signs of play and leave the rest alone unless there's an obvious problem. A full bearing kit plus that cluster isn't exactly cheap but then again you'd basically have a brand new transmission aside from other lightly worn gears - what you have is amazing for it's age and hours of use. That's how I make the choices when it comes to rebuilding stuff unless it's an engine. Figure out where the stress is at in drive line parts, replace what is needed and that's plenty good enough. For as simply as these are built as said - it's not all that hard to go into it again if needed. Again, just an opinion here - we all have one. Sarge

I'm on the 1st floor.

I have a 1979 c-101 bought new by me that has plowed snow and mowed grass most of its life. Has had one set of points in all those years, no trouble starting and running no idea hours, but has thousands i'm sure. Also have a 1989 414-8 Mag 14, 1200 hours, no problems, bullet proof. Turns a 48" deck and mowes 1.25 A and never has had a problem. I vote to keep them both, you will never regret that decision!

I have greased many idler pulleys, just pop out the grease seal on one side of the bearing then clean out with brake cleaner and blow dry. Force grease in to the bearing with your fingers until bearing is well packed. Install the grease seal and spin the bearing. It may not be just like new but it should be much better.

What A-90? I don't see a tractor????

I'll second that! I've learned a lot of neat stuff from Sarge. Jim, if that thing gets in your way you go right ahead and send it out up here to Maine. I won't even be mad.

Bemis & Call Company Springfield MA Made a heck of adjustable wrench. This one has been "on Loan" from New York Central Lines, since about 1930. Father, Grand Father, and Uncle all worked at the West Albany Shops (not sure who "arranged" the loan. You can see the hammer marks where it was beaten upon. Can't ell you how may times a long piece of 1-1/2" pipe was put over the handle then beaten some more but hasn't broke yet. may have a problem getting replacement parts However....

I’ve been Rebuilding Kohlers for 40 plus years. Both are great. The downside to the magnum is expensive trigger ignitions. Ive got several nos ones on the shelf that I bought 20 years ago. I wouldn’t want to buy them now. I rather deal with points.

When my brother up north ask me what to get because his new Crapsmens fell apart less than a month he got his money back. What ever you do not get one from a big box store. Buy from a Dealer. He is very proud of his purchase. But I looked at it can not believe how cheap they make these things today. Just about every thing plastic. Sorry I like my CAST IRON FRAME AND TRANNY AND ENGINE. That is all serviceable.

Cheaper then a 4 wheeler and can still drag a deer out of the woods for ya.

It .... was.... til I ground it off in an attempt to turn it 180*. No worries..... ******************* Tried plan B today. I went to K L Jack fasteners and got a couple little itty bitty screws/washers/locking nuts. Reinstalled the old choke shaft and butterfly. It'll have to do for a little while.

I don't know what floor I'm on, but if that family that got there last year on Friday night at 10:30 and terrorized the hallway shows up again, I'm tossing them out the window!

sorry no videos on my engine rebuilds, but here is a very good one from @prondzy from our Reference section on the main page. If you like pictures...here is a ton from the 2 K181 S's that I did last year.

You are correct...not only parts will interchange, but also attachments. All attachments for "B" & "C" series horses will fit your horse. Model #10140 is a 1974 "B" 80.

The tag is on the side below gas tank. Someone on another forum sears its a B-80. However the tractor is a 8hp 8hp . Thanks for info and welcome Lookat picture

First and last time ordering from Parts tree! After a week I received an email stating they had part of my order. No thank you! Called I Save Tractors in Maine. I had factory Kohler Bearing Plate seals within 2 days. Guess where I’ll be ordering from now on? The crank, rod, and piston are all in. Decided to paint the oil pan so we’re in a holding pattern again. Amazing how 2 years of waiting hasn’t sped up my schedule in the least.

Great! I should’ve looked through manuals. Well, after adjusting carburetor it’s running fine. Of course now we’re having a warm spell up here in VT and it feels as if I won’t get to try out the plow(just feels that way). Anyway, thanks again everybody.

No wonder your points last for decades. You have too many to run!

Don't now if this was posted before. Didn't find it anywhere. And it looks like the summer runners can go back on it

Rigid pipe wrenches and cutters, Mid West offset tin snips hands down the best , Malco 14”R classic shears along with the rest of their tools to fill my HVAC tool bag . I always used Craftsman tape measure,screwdrivers and pliers just for the replacement/warranty Back in the day they just handed you a new one. As far the most important tool it would have to be my Sharpie marker and a piece of cardboard for that list of things you forgot .... @WHX14 you know what I’m talking about. As for mechanic tools I had the usual Craftsman (USA) and SnapOn stuff . Some of the best tools however were the Bonney tools (made in PA.) that Allis Chalmers sold in the dealerships (my dad had a whole toolbox full) . There was just something about the feel of those tools as I always was grabbing my dads. John Deere sold the same tools but were branded as JD of course. They went out of production in the early 90’s . These tools weren’t cheap and were built to last a lifetime . Some of you may recognize their sister company Utica as they made some of the best torque wrench’s out there .

and and Where else can you get near 24/7 help from experts for free. Some even take stuff apart to show you. Hmmmmm. Can we get amen to that.

I'd say cause you can't get tin and fiberglass to age as nicely as a old horse does.

A special thanks to @pfrederi and @Shynon for sending me an original spring for reference so I’d didn’t have to tare one of my transmissions apart. And I might as well tag the resident tranny guy @stevasaurus just in case anyone that he helps needs one. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Steve!

Thank all you guys for the help so far, decided to bag the Tecumseh engine in favor of a briggs 12 hp I had on a simplicity. I have the engine on a stand for the moment now, so I can mess with it. It bolted right up in the same spot, I just need a side exit muffler. Anyway this motor is running good, I just need to make a few decisions.... Biggest one being that the air cleaner does not clear the hood behind the front grille. I need to notch the sheet metal or do something tricky to the air cleaner housing and shorten it. The lawn ranger has almost the same engine but the hood is a little different to clear the air cleaner. Also I might be picking up a commando 8 this saturday, that is rough but pretty cool looking.

The tractor did sit for weeks. The only time it has the incontinence problem is when there is a major temperature swing. The oil apparently pushes out of the tube past the dipstick. The funny thing is that the oil appears to be at the correct level and not up the tube as one would expect. I did push it out of the way before checking and that might have pulled some oil back down. I guess it acts like a burp, kind of like when trying to fill it down the small tube. Along with the Depends, it may need Alka-Seltzer.

Wise move brother!

This is what I have used on a few of mine, no problems. Two for $ 16.00 including shipping. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pcs-12V-Low-Pressure-Electric-Fuel-Pump-Diesel-Gas-Fuel-Oil-for-Universal-car/182455270871?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p20551

I considered bidding just for laughs but decided I didn't need the headache.

By the way Jeb ..I picked that vise up out of a scrap metal pile!!

Model #10120 8 is a 1973 no name horse with an 8 hp Kohler and a 4 speed #5085 transmission. BTW Welcome to Red Square.

Rich So sorry too hear about Wayne's passing I will miss seeing him and having long conversations at the wheel horse show Brian

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1277 is a hydro, btw. I still prefer the K's , just wish they would have used a better oiling system but for the most part it's not a problem. Points don't bother me, but expensive trigger ignitions and the issues of finicky parts does....the M series is fine though, just prefer the K. Sarge

Hahaha. ... yeah. .... I know. I figured it would be easier to modify the linkage than it would be to modify the route of the cable. It's possible I may have been incorrect.

Prayers just sent for the family. Rest in peace Wayne.

Nice topic, i make a living with tools so quality is important but the cost really kinda hurts of snap on ect. I mainly buy from mac tools and we have a guy that comes around with a tool book with SK and a bunch of other brands normal compare prices on stuff and take a gamble if its a big difference and i get 25% off book price which helps alot some times, lately my fav tool is wrachet wrenches lot of time saved

This is a great topic and I have a share of many tools, but mainly S-K. We even sold them at my family's business when I was younger. In my area they were kind of the gold standard! I love my But sadly, I believe the last business that carried these near me just went out of business, so I'm not sure how I'll get new ones or replacements I will miss the service and people of these business's very much! C-85

Dibs on the 1257 Jimbo....no wait hey I already have a 1257...sure it's not a 1277?!?! ...thats on my bucket list! Joking aside hey .... who you calling a bandit Jay!!?!?!?!? You was a thousand miles closer Apples yer FEL would be in my barn!

Wow, what a great thread. @jebbear...I have to apologize, this is the 1st time I have seen this thread. I have had some eye surgery and it is hard to sit here and read long and involved posts, but my name was mentioned and I came in and took a look at the 3rd page. I was so impressed, I went back to the start and read the whole thing. When I am asked to give advise, I like to know what the history is and what the owner is going to do with his horse after he is finished. In your 1st post, you mentioned that you were intending to use this horse for all the things that you and the previous owner used it for. This is not going to be a "Trailer Queen". I still have 2 of the "Short Frame Square Hoods", and they do not get any pasture play at all either. I envy you guys that have a lathe and milling machine and the room and expertise to use it. Ha...this might be as long of a post as Sarge's. OK...here is the deal. You say the #1533 bearings are great. Cool. That tells me...you can tell if the other needle bearings are suspect or not. You want to change all the seals and the gasket for sure. All of the bearings and seals in your transmission are readily available from Lowell, Motion Industries, NAPA, etc. Lowell has the only new #1533's. You can easily change out the bearings that have some wear, and now is the time. I would not change out OK bearings. Question...the trans oil in the pictures...is that the original oil (no flushing)?? If so, your gears look great and I would go with them...I would also think that most of your bearings are OK also. With the job you are doing, I feel like telling you to go with a lot of what you have in the transmission, is like cheating...but it comes down to why fix it if it is not broke. Your 2nd and 3rd fork gear even looks good, but if you were going to replace anything...that would be it (and save the old one) If you do decide to go with Lowell's 2nd/3rd fork gear...you need to make sure that the number of splines in the center is the same as the one you have. They made 2 kinds and one will not fit on your splined shaft. Lowell knows about this. Seeing what happened to the M-16121 (#1532) bearing under the large part of the mushroom gear, I would probably want to replace the bearing on the other end where the brake shaft comes out...KOYO B-1612 (#1530...new #704019).

After reading the very difficult and sad news of Wayne Wilson's (AKA Woodchuckfarmer) passing. I'd like to submit my supporter membership trading card in his honor. I really like Wayne a lot and consider him my friend. Hope this is OK with Rich @rwilson and if so, maybe he'd like to change, edit or add to the information displayed on it or change the picture. Wayne R. Wilson, age 68, of Mansfield, PA, died on Sunday, February 18, 2018 at Robert Packer Hospital, Sayre, PA. He was born on March 19, 1949 in Wellsboro, PA, a son of Richard and Colette (Maige) Wilson. Wayne was the husband of Peggy (Thorpe) Wilson. He retired from Ward Manufacturing on October 31, 2017. Wayne was a US Veteran having served in the Army National Guard. He was an avid tractor collector of Wheel Horse. Wayne enjoyed gardening, tinkering and spending time with his family. He is survived by his wife, Peggy; a son and daughter-in-law, Richard and Jessica Wilson of Mansfield, PA; a daughter and son-in-law, Maria and Jeremy Turner of Mainesburg, PA; six grandchildren, Taylor, Robert, Nathan, Ryan Turner, Raegan, Brycelynn Wilson; a brother and sister-in-law, Terry and Cindy Wilson of Mansfield, PA; a special niece, DeLecia Plouse of Ridgebury, PA, a special dog, Bruty. Family and friends are invited to call on Thursday, February 22, 2018 from 1PM to 3PM and 5PM to 7PM at the Buckheit Funeral Chapel and Crematory, Inc., 637 S. Main St., Mansfield,PA. In lieu of flowers memorial contributions may be made to the American Cancer Society, 1948 E 3rd St, Williamsport, PA 17701. www.buckheitfcandcrematory.com

If you are replacing the gasket you could soak it in lacquer thinner. Then clean good with acetone or your preferred metal prep before repainting.

After carefully studying the "N", I decided Jason is correct. So I fixed the "N", but now some of the other letters seem funky. Think I'll go sip some shine.

OK Jason, you passed the test. Now you can change your name to ..... Excellent Observer.

See too many at big box stores looking at stamped frame lawn riding things. Tractors? Not! Better deals at the scrap yard. Would rather repair a hurt Horse. The Horse will work, be your Stallion forever. I offered to haul, for free, a 1641 2-cyl Briggs Work Horse. Was in a barn for 10 years, not being used. No Charge. Had a new 48" deck. Got that too. Of course, needed TLC but not much. I even had the TSC seat in my barn!