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I thought the weather was very unusual yesterday and last evening when my significant other came home from work I mentioned spending the night in the Bunkhouse. This would be the first overnight stay. Loaded up the old ice fishing sled and Allagash wooden packbasket with essentials, donned the headlamps and trekked into the night looking forward to lighting the Jotul stove and enjoying Happy Hour. It was 40 degrees upon entry and within 2 hours a comfortable 70. I hope you enjoy the pics of my 2018 Christmas present from my sister, even family likes to play jokes on me regarding my occupation. The thermometer is located in the screen porch and questioned if it was accurate, just seems odd.Woke up a 4 am and opened the windows to let some heat out. Spent from 8 pm to 8 am this morning and had a great time, looking forward to Spring but with just a little bit more SEAT time.

@Stepney @JCM @PeacemakerJack

I run a crane for a living that has the capability of picking up over 7,000 pounds next to the truck. That's a single arm. If that single arm bucket loader is engineered correctly those points will not be a concern. A bucket loader or a backhoe is in a similar manner to any other lifting device such as a forklift or crane in that as long as you don't leave the safety triangle in a vertical fashion you will never tip.... Provided there is no mechanical failure.

Case Ingersoll

Despite any potential off balance issues this thing could have, there is one thing that can't be argued....it's just dang cool. Saw that for sale the other day, don't have the kind of scratch lying around that it would take to buy it but I'd be lying to say I didn't think about it.

Anyone have any experience with one of these

Hello I've got a line on an 857 that looks in great original shape with a good deck on it. Asking $650 which seems a little high but older tractors in good shape are rare in my neck of the woods and I am wanting something pretty to add to the collection. What do you think? Comes with a dozer blade as well. Thanks in advance, Tim

Please forgive me I just couldn't help myself. Probably gonna be sorry I started this one.

Thanks all for the warm welcome and encouragement and a whole whack of info I did not expect to see. I can visualize it being parked next to my refurbed stock 1986 Monte Carlo SS...two classics side by side.

Yep! Now I wish I still had it.

Welcome to Red square. Let me put it to you this way. A new... Anything... Is just a lawn mower. You might not get five or eight years out of it. Not being negative. Being honest. Nearly any model Wheelhorse is not a temporary machine. My Honey and I work with some from 1974 and 1967 that have never had major overhauls. A Wheelhorse isn't a purchas that lasts a few years. It's EQUIPMENT. Meant to be around potentially forever.

You got it Jim! Those were a very rare machine back in the day. They were called Black Knight Demonstrators...used by the dealerships to lend out to folks. My cousin Mike bought one a couple of years ago to restore someday. @19richie66‘s dad had one in his collection years ago too. They also had a Golden Demonstator—same idea, little different paint scheme... I didn’t like it as much as the Black Knight but on the full size tractors, I thought it was really cool... This is the idea that I want to use when we repaint my daughters Case 224 tractor. I think this would look really cool on a Case GT.

LOL It was a demonstrator! You should have won it ...they are quite the collector's piece. Would't have fit well in your herd tho…. way too nice!

I have to admit, I entered the drawing for the Case at Portage last year. I wrote my girls’ names on more tickets than myself, hoping I’d have to make a run to Cheese Land again. Funny thing is, I don’t have any pictures of it, but it was something like the Dark Knight edition or some mumbo jumbo. It was mainly black, some orange, some chrome. Here’s a cool Simplicity though from Portage, while I was looking for pics!

Although with first glance, I agree, it appears to be unstable and would easily tip to the left. But in reality the way the load is transferred ( one or two arms) to the tractor has no affect on the stability of the tractor. With an evenly loaded bucket, this tractor would be more likely to tip to the right due to the extra weight from the arm on the right side. The arm looks pretty robust, but with that cantilevered load, there has to be an enormous amount of twist on the arm and friction on the swivel pins.

Here is the one that got things going for us....in more ways than one...theses are my ma and pa back in mid 60’s.Can anyone I’d that horse....we can’t .....so any guesses or observations are welcomed.

The Red IHC above looks to be a well thought out design. You could park that in my garage. If you ask me this is the best combination I've seen yet. Ease of access, good visibility, better balance. I'm not a fan of driving skid steers but would own one of these.

Hey Zeke, Looks like a nice tractor. I'm over here in Raleigh and I can tell you, short frames are tough to find down here in NC. I agree with the others. If you can get him down to $500 then its a good deal. But if not, No big deal. It would cost $150 in gas just to get to the big show where there are there are normally a few good short frames for sale.

Greentored has asked me for my 2 cents on pm. I post it here, so others can get info too if needed You have several options to increase speed. You might want to go for a combination of some of them, to reach your goal, in a way that suits you best. Gear set from an HC will upgear 16%, and roughly give you the speed you aim at. It is a simple swap of gears, but you will need a HC tranny for parts, as the gears are NLA. (or just do a swap if the HC unit is strong) Do check bearings etc. and refresh seals while you are in there. Pulley swap, and over revving the hydro unit. Eaton for sure has a safety margin, but I would not go to +20%. I run my 195 at 3800, and that gives a good boost. It ain't all linear. This is not me saying that it is OK to over rev it. I do it and it works for me. Yours might explode or in other ways fail. RPM's of engine. There is a larger than linear speed drop, if you do not reach the 3600, so check the rpm's with a meter to confirm. Make sure your hydro is strong, and not worn out, as they can loose speed that way too. Tires has also been mentioned as a valid option to increase speed. Simple calculations can determine your new speed with a given tire size compared to the old ones. Cam plate modification. Yes this is also a way to go. The hydro unit is not set up to max flow, and it is WH/Toro that has set the flow via the camplate. Eatons manual (non WH specific) states that OEM's should never exeed 14 deg of travel on the motion controle arm in either direction. WH has it set a lot lower than 14 deg. I would not go all the way to 14 deg, but aim for some middle ground. Remember it is a variable volume oil pump and an oil motor built into one unit. If you increase volume (more degrees), you also lower the torque the unit is capable of at that setting. You might find that the last bit of travel on the control arm is mostly for travel, and less for work/hauling. The unit is capable of transferring roughly 10 hp. That's a lot at low flow volume and gives abundant torque at lower speeds, and is also enough to go very fast, but not both at once. Botton line, yes you can go faster by tweaking the cam plate, but make very sure you do not go over 14 deg, and don't expect a locomotive at 14 deg. Over revving the engine is an option for some, but not something I would even consider. Hope that helps. Shoot if there is other questions

Just curious Steve....exactly what do you do with hose strippers you fish out of the Chamberlin River?

My 414-8 is 35 years old and strong as an ox! Well maintained they will last a long time. ! to

Kevin, I’m helping him with the tranny. Right now it’s all apart on my bench and I’ve been in Florida a few days for the birth of our granddaughter so that’s holding up progress on his tractor a little.

I've heard of them being on a Farmall of some sort as well. Cub?? Would want to be conscious of the weight distribution. I'd have no problem using it.

Pa was no towering giant. He's reaching for the pedal like I have to, straight legged and pointy toed. Looks like he's ready to throttle up and get going and thinking "Enough of the pics, I got some plowing to do". Ma holding the lift handle indicates she let him buy it. The snow was about 3-4 inches deep. Oh, you probably meant for the model #! Never mind. Model # needs to start with a 7 or 8. I spy a Kohler in there

Finally made the carburetor adapter from Briggs to carter from kholer using original oil bath air cleaner and throttle cable. I need to make a cable clamp. I filled carb with gas and fired first pull. I had a lot of trouble getting the kholer to run, least this briggs looks very similar to keep the factory look. Plus I have a pull start now not a rap and tug

Introducing “Lil Red” I think it’s a Hesston but can’t find any numbers on it. Wonder if I could badge it as a wheelhorse so I could bring it to the big show?

I have a spare salt spreader that we don't use at our offices anymore and I am debating bringing it home and trying to hook it up to my C-195. The spreader in question is a Salt Dogg with a 1/2 horsepower electric motor. It fits into a 2 inch receiver and I have a receiver on my 3 point hitch on the C-195 so physically it will mount with ease, but the question I am asking myself is will the charging system put out enough power to run the spreader. My driveway isn't crazy long, maybe 200 feet so I figure that the battery should have enough power to run it while I salt once in either direction and then I could park the tractor back in the garage and charge it up, but if the charging system was powerful enough to run it that would be even better. Does anyone have any experience doing something like this, or know more about electrical than me when it comes to running extra accessories on these machines?

Spare us the details Steve...... might be ... he was a bit younger back then Ed....

I believe my former stepfather was working at that base at the time as a fireman. So you was also at what the locals in that area now call the elephant cage? As far as Frankinstiens goes, YUP I remember it well. Bought my first um "pre" aged beer there lol

As a Novelty I love it. It is an ugly duckling, and as long as you see it as such, and don't expect it to be good at what it was meant to do, I have no beef with it. Unfortunately it will newer turn into a swan. From an engineering standpoint, that thing is just one big blunder. Forces are going all the wrong places, creating torque/rotational forces in all the places you absolutely don't want such forces. If an Engineer ever created that thing and put it to production, chances are he is not an engineer any more To sum up the best words put on it in this thread as I see it: Quirky lovely little brain fart.

My dad has a 1988 312-8 and a mid 90s 420-8. I have a 1965 855. These are our primary working tractors for yard work, mowing, and snow removal. I know the 312 has never had anything more severe than a carb rebuild done to it. The other two I have less complete histories on, but they don't seem to have had any major work done since new. On top of that the guy who lives across the street from me runs a little mower repair business out of his garage. He has admitted to sitting over there and just watching me mow when he hears my tractor fire up because he likes the looks of the old girl, so they are both good working machines AND neat collectables.

By Jesus...you are right.

That's cuz you're "smaht"

@Oldskool I was stationed in the Navy, Winter Harbor 1971-1974. Know my way around out there...had friends in Milbridge. Worked at the site east of Prospect Harbor. Love that part of the country. Used to fish the Chamberlin River for Strippers.

To The Classic series was once the 312-8 and 312-H, wonderful piece of machinery. Pictured is one bought in 1989 and is one of the best things I have spent $ on. Go for it.

Thanks guys for the info. @stevasaurus I did not have a manual yet. Thanks for the downloadable. Going to look into whats available local. My step family has a small parts store here in town

IMO I may be an ass for saying it out loud but it's a dumb ass construction. The buckets weight/center should be centered on the arm that lifts not to make crazy twisting in that arm. Eric's crane has the load in a center point. This thing has it way off center. That's the difference. Doesn't affect the tractor, but sure as hell puts strain on that arm. Just imagine the twist when you ram that bucket into something in the corner that ain't supported. I'm no engineer by any means but this thing is just made wrong. Look at the Ford. It has the bucket much more in center of the arm. Downside is it then shift the weight to the side of the tractor. BMW swing arm is not comparable. It still centers the wheel on axis and has no twist or slamming abuse just remotely in comparison. There's a reason why loaders are made with two arms! I'm sure someone smarter than me can chime in and explain the physics. It is cute - YES Is it rare - YES obviously (for a reason) Is it collectible - ? Maybe. There's an ass for every seat! Head for every hat! Take your pick. I for one don't wan't something that smells like brain fart. I like my things to be made right. Is it made on sound mechanical principles - NO frickin way can anyone convince me of that! IMO that is

to the Eric has correctly steered you down the path. The only problem you may have....they are sorta like those chips. You can't stop with one.

Oh wow, that was solved in 2 minutes. I really appreciate the quick replies. Also, thank you all for the warm welcome

On our first visit to Germany to see our “German Kid” Jil, her family brought us to a family friend’s tractor farm... I was fortunate enough to cruise a Porsche around with my girls!

I have a modified 867 that is - IMHO - the best looking tractor WH ever made. As they say; I was at the right place, at the right time and stole mine for $20. back in 1994. With that being said, I would try to get the owner down to $500.

Wow! That is SUPER COOL thanks for sharing that with us Eric and tagging me. I have never heard of that machine. Can’t wait to pass this along to my cousin Mike who specializes in the Case GT’s...maybe someday that tractor will show up at Portage?

If you're only going to be running it for a few minutes at a time you should be okay. I think a lot of the Wheelhorse charging systems are around 15 amps output. Engine uses two or three. Maybe you could get the specs about that Saltdogg off of the motor? You might be able to do a search online but I don't think a half horsepower motor at 12 volts is going to draw very many amps.

Maybe people know this, maybe I’m the only one that was in the dark. 100% silicone is a killer to get right! I found a video where the guy put the silicone into his joint, then spritzed the area with NON-AMMONIA glass cleaner, then proceeded to wipe with a glass cleaner wetted finger. What a difference this trick makes!

I saw the classified and asked what the manufacturer is and what the advantages are. It sure looks interesting. I think it’s BMW, makes a single sided swing arm on motorcycles. I have a hard time believing there isn’t some odd force with cornering and bumps... but I’m sure being BMW it’s well capable and just as stable at 100+ mph speeds.

Check out his videos and let us know of any problems … Steve does like to work on these trannies!

Can't wait to see how elaborate this below ground camp becomes....lights, heat, eats, bunks ,etc. BTW, still trying to harvest a deer with the flintlock for my Amish neighbor. So with temps in the 50s, I climbed into my lower stand at 3PM on Friday evening. Sorry I didn't have a camera, but at 4PM, a string of deer crossed the cut corn field about 120 yards from me. The string was about 14 deer long and 2-3 deer deep. There were easily 20 deer in the herd. I know the deer "yard up" this time of year, but this is the largest herd I have seen since living in western Pa. in the '60s.

I’m glad the job’s almost over and BBT didn’t get paint all over those nice red boots! I think if you’re gonna kick her out in the cold you should at least get her an outdoor workbench EB!