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I told this memory to tkol1969 a few weeks ago. And he thought it would be a great one to share. In October 1960 my folks had Natural Gas ran to the house. So there was about 100 ft. of open trench going to the gas meter. When Dad was ready to back fill the trench ,one of his friends came over with what I believe now was a Suburban model Wheel Horse with a dozer blade. I distinctly remember the "Round Hood" shape on the little tractor. Dad's friend pushed in all the back fill with that amazing little tractor. I guess it made quite an impression on a then, 4 yr old, TIGman Only wish I had a old photo to go along with the story. Did find a photo that MikesRJ shared on a 1958 RJ-58 thread that looks much like the image I have of the Wheel Horse I witnessed doing amazing things.

The lookout is accessible again ! ( first pic ) . The logging is done there & the posted signs are gone Finished a new connector trail ( in the direction the bike is aimed ) . Was a little work each time out but well worth it . ( pic #2 )

1960 Suburban 400 Rat Rod

The C-80, C-100, C-120, C-160 are the best of the Wheel Horse line. I know there are different opinions. But construction for the models were the best. Making something more complicated doesn't make it better.

They were probably less expensive than a Deere or a Cub, but by no means were they entry level. The design was such that they were simple to work on, less expensive to manufactured and use a lot of stock parts in the Wheel Horse parts supply. Construction was well thought out to meet the requirements set forth, i.e simple design, less parts, easier to maintain, reuse of parts, easy to fabricate, manufacture and assemble. I believe these design traits has allowed them to be very durable, and for owners to maintain over the years. Also it what appeals to collectors and hobbyists today. They are easy to restore and work on, compared to other brands of the same era. And they were not entry level tractors. If you look at the overall design, and can understand manufacture techniques and design, and understand logistics, they were well thought out. Compare them to today's lawn tractors and you will see what entry level really is and what cost cutting is. The Wheel Horses were not!

Wasn't sure what to expect from the storm this weekend so I left work yesterday and went to Mathews to get my tractors out of the barn and up on blocks in my shed. Neighbor called this afternoon and told me the barn I keep a couple of them in did get water in it, but my shed was nice and dry. If I hadn't put them on blocks I'm sure the water would have reached my shed.

There was a time when I had some of the same thoughts on Wheel Horse tractors. I thought why couldn't they have put a bearing or bushing here or there? Why didn't they make the frame a little beefier? Why did they not use a nice steering box instead of the Fred Flintstone fan gear steering? But in the end I'm glad they did what they did because obviously it's kept me around Wheel Horses for 25 years, and I still enjoy them to this day. Adam, hopefully you will end up with the same smile on your face about Wheel Horses as most of us here on Red Square have.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/hermine-deliver-life-threatening-surf-winds-north-carolina-new-england-n642426 I'm thanking Cyclone Hermine tonight. After getting the above forecasts, I shortened my Labor Day weekend at my camp at the Delaware shore and came back home to Pa for the rest of the holiday. Arriving at noon today, I discovered lightening had struck my house several hours after I left on Wed. Tripping the breakers to a beverage fridge and a 24 cu ft chest freezer full of a years harvest of venison, perch filets, crab meat, blackberries, and the entire garden harvest. The good news...It only thawed on the top and everything was cold so nothing in the freezer was lost and the warm beer, soda, and wine has already been chilled. The bad news is ... so far I have lost two garage door operators, one TV, one answering machine, one clothes dryer, and possibly the breaker panel. Off to see the homeowners agent Tuesday morning. So, again, thank you Hermine for sending me home early and preventing a big 400lb stinky mess. Didn't mean to highjack your post Chip, but I thought you might be interested on some good news from Hermine.

The other day the wife and I were talking about how many of these I have bought in the last couple of years. She said "The first step in any addiction is admitting you have a problem." So I got out to the shop, sit down, and spend some time soul searching. I realized I do have a problem... ... I need a bigger shop!

I agree whole heartily that more complicated isn't always better I prefer to own equipment I can maintain. I even prefer to do the maintenance and repairs on my 90 Chevy k-1500 over buying a newer model.

Suburban 400

1966 - 1056

Did you use a horse to tow that yellow thing in the shed?

HA HA , It was in the box with the other parts and the box is empty. At least I did not go running around the Big Show screaming "Where is that guy?".

Hey all. Just wanted to show you all, what I purchased for My Wheel Horse 518 back in the spring. I am sorry to say, but you cannot but this cab in the US. But it is so nice! Lights, sprinkler and wiper. And it is real auto glass. It is attached in a matter of minutes and Will be so comfortable in the winter.

Have brought the C-175 home, and in spite of the sorry state of the machine, I am both hopeful, and tickled. Without further ado, here are photos of the tractor freshly unloaded from the trailer. Thing was sitting in a mud hole beneath a bunch of trees, and certainly looks it. Mud, bugs, leaves, and twigs pretty well cover everything, along with some moss starting from the damp. First order is to wash it down to make it bearable to look at. Since the weather is supposed to be sunny and dry for the next few days, will leave it outside the garage to thoroughly dry out. Will then start making runs to the hardware store and NAPA to begin the process of bringing this beast back to life.

Had the C-120 out today taking care of the lawn mowing duties. It sure does a nice job.

Wheel Horses can trace their history to 1946, the year after WWII ended. (Correct me if I am wrong on this guys.) The first IH Cub Cadet 'Original' garden tractor was introduced in 1961. The first John Deere garden tractor model 110 was introduced in 1963. You don't have to go much further back than 1946 to only have 2-wheel motorized plows and cultivation tools available for small acreage needs. Deere and IH already had many years of corporate success when their garden tractors were introduced. In my mind, the Pond's are post WWII American pioneers. A uniquely American product from a one man start-up during the crest of the machine age.

You know , l do have a memory of a WHEEL HORSE tractor . When I was in my early teens I went to a friends house . His dad and uncle each had a foot on one of the running boards arguing ( I think a 4 or 5 series ) . It was all about who's tractor could pull who's backwards . His father was pretty proud of that WHEEL HORSE . I know reside in the last home he built before he passed away . Wonder what ever happened to that tractor . @TIGman for jarring my head and bringing back some good child hood memories .

Yes Sir, I likes chainsaws too! And all of them run and are operational. Still 025, 029 super, MS460 Magnum Dolmar 7910 Homelite super xl Poulan 3800 McCollough timber bear And my Granddaddy's 1959 Clinton Handy D50 yes it runs and saws too.

Managed to get it done fairly quickly this morning but had a few minor hiccups, but I figured I would describe/show the steps to replace the outer wheel bearing. Just so everyone knows, you do NOT have to remove the inner needle bearing to do this. 1) First thing I did was remove the outer C clip at the end of the PTO shaft. 2) The next thing I did is I clamped the PTO in a vice and used a piece of wood that fit through the needle bearing and into the outside bearing. I used a hammer to drive it out. Here you can see the bearing shell sliding out. 3) After I had the ball bearing removed I removed the C clip holding in the ball bearing to the outside lug. 4) From there I struggled a bit to get the broken ball bearing off shaft. I came up with a 15/16 deep socket and that wrapped around the outside and then place a 7/16 socket underneath after I soaked it in PB blaster for a bit. I then hit the 15/16 socket and drove the ball bearing off the shaft. 5) After that was removed I put the new ball bearing on (same way as I just removed it) 6) Then I clipped the C clip back on just like in step 3. 7) Put the ball bearing back in the shaft through the outside. (Just like step 2) 8) Put the outside C Clip on like in Step 1. 9) And this is what it should look like. 10) Clean the inside up and add some grease to the needle bearing and your good to go.

Yeppers, the only problem I see is you might need a BIGGER barn for the Horse collection. I seem to have the same problem.

You are not alone...

I haven't quite got around to the mower deck just yet, but got the exhaust from our friend jimkemp installed and the disc redone. Received a dual wheel adapter from squonk and considering adding to this one. It's like power steering with the disc on!

I built my 26x32 garage in 1993. I have 4" of concrete with wire mesh,with a 12x12 footing poured into the slab all the way around the perimeter with re rod imbedded into it. I also added one course of block on top of the slab, then built walls on top of the block. only have the normal concrete cracks. Poured on top of a gravel base. No problems with settling here.

1977 C-120 1965 Lawn Ranger actually tkol1969 thinks it is a 1966.

9-4-1957 Edsel arrives in showrooms at last On September 4, 1957–“E-Day,” according to its advertising campaign–the Ford Motor Company unveils the Edsel, the first new automobile brand produced by one of the Big Three car companies since 1938. (Although many people call it the “Ford Edsel,” in fact Edsel was a division all its own, like Lincoln or Mercury.) Thirteen hundred independent Edsel dealers offered four models for sale: the smaller Pacer and Ranger and the larger Citation and Corsair. To many people, the Edsel serves as a symbol of corporate hubris at its worst: it was an over-hyped, over-sized, over-designed monstrosity. Other people believe the car was simply a victim of bad timing. When Ford executives began planning for the company’s new brand, the economy was booming and people were snapping up enormous gas-guzzlers as fast as automakers could build them. By the time the Edsel hit showrooms, however, the economic outlook was bad and getting worse. People didn’t want big, glitzy fin cars anymore; they wanted small, efficient ones instead. The Edsel was just ostentatious and expensive enough to give buyers pause. At the same time, there is probably no car in the world that could have lived up to the Edsel’s hype. For months, the company had been running ads that simply pictured the car’s hood ornament and the line “The Edsel Is Coming.” Everything else about the car was top-secret: If dealers failed to keep their Edsels hidden, they’d lose their franchise. For the great E-Day unveiling, promotions and prizes–like a giveaway of 1,000 ponies–lured shoppers to showrooms. When they got there, they found a car that had a distinctive look indeed–but not necessarily in a good way. Thanks to the big impact ring or “horse collar” in the middle of its front grille, it looked (one reporter said) like “a Pontiac pushing a toilet seat.” (Another called it “an Oldsmobile sucking a lemon.”) And its problems were more than cosmetic. Drivers changed gears by pushing buttons on the steering wheel, a system that was not easy to figure out. In addition, at highway speeds that famous hood ornament had a tendency to fly off and into the windshield. In its first year, Edsel sold just 64,000 cars and lost $250 million ($2.5 billion today). After the 1960 model year, the company folded.

Ed , that is a lot of damage . I hope the lighting strikes did not do any structural damage to your home. Mother nature can be a wicket beast. Maybe it was a good thing that you were away when the lighting struck.

Good to see you kept the horses hooves out of the salt water.

Sunset was nice tonight so I took a snap of the old Horse .

After looking closely at the construction of my C-175, I can only say that the blackhoods are about the epitome of Wheel Horse design and construction. Consider: Last series with a die cast dash, the hood design and stamping is complex and well done, it has all the improvements found in the number series that followed, top-line trannys and frames, belting, and except for the Series I Kohlers, the best engines. There was a tremendous amount of engineering that went into these machines. I am glad I own one.

Garry, Your answer was spot on. Thanks. Just finished the lawn. I appreciate the quick replies from both you and TIGman. Winkster

New bits came in the mail today... tires and the gearbox bits. Now I just need more hours in the day!

Welcome to the forum. The pto switch powers the clutch pedal switch on a gear model or the neutral switch on a hydro model. Play with those as you try to start. My C-120 must have the pto lever pulled back as the ignition switch is activated to work. This circuit provides power to the small terminal on the starter solenoid. If you have no luck place the transmission in neutral and run a temporary jumper from the battery + to the small solenoid terminal. That should make the starter run. The seat switch powers the ignition only when the pto is ON. Garry

While the steering may look "Fred Flinstone". Their simplicity means they last to even become salvage parts. The Ross steering boxes are getting really hard to find parts for

Great story. There are several other threads on here with similar stories. I always love to hear how it all began for other people.

That's a Great story ! I honestly cant say why or when I fell for the wheel horse ? But I never looked back !!!

I just got a garden plow off Craigslist today for $50. I never had one before so this will be a new experience for me! The separate original bracket in the picture was bent so the previous owner made a new one, installed it, and then he fixed the old one.

Jack, you've got your 416 and now a 520. You can check them off the list and start looking for a Blackhood now.

If you use the left side plate from the 5003 (RJ) on the 5010 (Suburban) and keep the RJ idler setup that you already have the RJ belt guard will work. The right side plates are identical on both transmissions so there's no need to change that side. Keep in mind that the only thing different between the 5003 and 5010 is that left side plate.

Your RJ uses a 5003 transmission and the Suburban uses a 5010. As it's already been mentioned the idler arm operates in opposite directions. The 5003 has a flat idler pulley and pushes on the back of the drive belt to tension it and the 5010 has a v-groove pulley and out on the belt. The clutch rod is connected to the pedal above the pivot point on the 5003, below on the 5010. With that being said the transmissions are identical except for the brake band tab. The 5003 is vertical, the 5010 at a 45 degree angle. The belt guards are not interchangeable. You could reweld the tab but since you already have the parts I would suggest swapping the left side plate. It would be the easiest especially since the standard procedure is to put the transmission in a vice with the left side up and remove that plate first. Better yet, do what @ACman suggested and flush it out. Pull the side plate and have a look. Pulling the side plate does not require you to go any further but you need to find the cause of your problem. Intimidating? Sure. But once you do it you will chuckle at how simple it is. You'll at least need a new side plate gasket which you can get from @Jake Kuhn or they are easy to make from auto store gasket material. Here's an excellent thread on these transmissions: Keep us posted and remember that we are always here to help out.

9-4-1950 First Southern 500 at Darlington SC The 1950 Southern Five-Hundred was the first NASCAR Grand National event that took place at Darlington Raceway in Darlington, South Carolina. It was responsible for turning the Southern 500 into the biggest racing event prior to the 1959 Daytona 500. While this edition of the Southern 500 would be hosted in association with the Central States Racing Association, all of the other Southern 500 races would be hosted exclusively by NASCAR. Only manual transmission vehicles were allowed to participate in this race; a policy that NASCAR has retained to the present day. Darlington Raceway, nicknamed by many NASCAR fans and drivers as "The Lady in Black" or "The Track Too Tough to Tame" and advertised as a "NASCAR Tradition", is a race track built for NASCAR racing located near Darlington, South Carolina. It is of a unique, somewhat egg-shaped design, an oval with the ends of very different configurations, a condition which supposedly arose from the proximity of one end of the track to a minnow pond the owner refused to relocate. This situation makes it very challenging for the crews to set up their cars' handling in a way that will be effective at both ends. More than 80 entrants showed up for the race.They used a 2-week qualifying scheme similar to the one used at the Indianapolis 500. Track owner Harold Brasington was also inspired by Indianapolis when he had the 75 car field aligned in 25 rows of three cars. These practices have been curtailed over the years as NASCAR adopted a more uniform set of guidelines with regard to the number of cars which could qualify for a race. The race was won by Johnny Mantz The other top ten finishers included: Fireball Roberts, Red Byron, Bill Rexford, Chuck Mahoney, Lee Petty, Cotton Owens, Bill Blair, Hershel McGriff, and George Hartley. In 2011, Hershel McGriff still competed in regional road courses races in the NASCAR K&N Pro Series. Hershel McGriff might be the last living driver from this event; having attained the advanced age of 88 years old as of August 11, 2016.

You also have your very own bum hip..

Gotta get a couple of those apartment size mini boards and tie them together like a pontoon boat. Car hoods are ok but you better cut the latch off so you don't get something caught in it when you fly off!

Just wanted to say thank you to all the members that helped us out figuring out what we had. Picked up the 88 520h with 42" deck for 450 a few weeks ago. We did new battery and hold down then rebuilt the Mule drive and new pto belt. Got to deck and we just finished with all new bearings and idler pulley and belt. Cuts great and nice and quiet now. Was a great project for my son and I. I have all new bearings for the pto but we will do that in the coming weeks. Felt a little loose so we see what we can find.

I built a 24X28 2 story pole barn with a floating slab concrete floor back in '03, I've never had a problem with the concrete floor if that's what you're worried about. Saved lot of money by not having to dig footers. I'm in upstate NY and we get some cold winters. So that might be another possibility for you.

Here is mine.

1973 10 hp 8-Speed