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I may be a newbie on here but Iv had a lot of education with Wheel Horse over the years and owned many machines and because I own 7 acres of mostly wooded area I burn firewood in the winter. Why i wanted a 16HP is because now my 11's don't have to struggle as much to pull out heavy 4' loads of logs in a trailer. Those few extra horse power make a world of difference and having 4 machines means less swapping of attachments. I plan on buying a few more.

After hours of internet searching and researching, I got the wheel horse bug! I started looking for our old family tractor and thought I'd find another one. It was an old 66' Cub Cadet. I found a few on the internet, but after researching about the tractor I found out that it may not be the best purchase for me. What came up mostly was the love of the wheel horse and I became hook and starting looking for those type tractors. I found many across the state but it is almost impossible to view all of them due to vast distances. My top three were a 64' 1054, a 67 1057 and a C 100. After thinking it over I decided on the C 100. It was well taken care of and should provide a lot more life I'm in the processes of cleaning it up and doing some modified painting of certain parts. Basically tune up stuff. Mower deck needs some holes patched, but it does seem pretty clean. The plow is in great shape. Best of all, it came with about 7 various manuals and brochures for viewing .

How could I possibly forget my first vehicle, handed down to me by brother Dave, (JimmyZ) when he joined the Navy? She may have been known as Old #18 by everybody when you drove it to high school but I'll never forget the first day I rolled into the high school parking lot with it. All it took was one of my buddies to shout out, "Hey Ken nice Milk truck!" and that was that. For the next yr. it was known thru out the entire high school as the Milk truck. I tried explaining that it was an electrical service truck and that the rack behind the cab was one half of a ladder rack and NOT a roll bar.. Nope, to everyone it was the Milk truck. Even a few teachers busted my balls calling it that (especially Mr. Howard). Hey, no worries. More than a few chicks were more than happy to ride in the Milk truck! Hard to believe this pic of me was over 30 yrs. ago... I miss that truck and I would proudly drive it today, even if Stevebo hates Fords!

Woulda coulda.... The one thing I've really taken away from all this stuff with Wheel Horses is being happy with what Ya got. Get educated and make prudent buying decisions. We've all seen plenty of newbies on here going nuts for an extra 2-4 hp all the while they're just going to run a 42" deck and run a single stage blower. You can run just about every accessory with 12hp. The dual stage blowers and 60" decks really benefit from the extra muscle of a twin cylinder. As for myself I essentially own everything I need. WH related of course. My best buys came down to luck, patience, and having cash on hand. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Jim, sounds like you have the right idea, buy another every time you get another attachment! Works for me.

I'd just take the Tractor Supply decal off and call it done......

Jim, first off welcome to red square. IMHO, you did very well. Best of luck, and how about some pictures of your haul. glenn

Great catch. remember this one?

Steve, As far as how many we have saved who knows.. I have shipped parts all over and Complete transmissions to Massachutes..Texas...North Carolina..New York as well as indiana ohio and Pa... I even had one older fella drive out from New Jersey to my place in North west ohio on a Saturday Morning we re-built his 953 trans he loaded it back up and turn around and drove back to Jersey...The things we do for these little machines is a blast and the people make it fun!!...As far as the 3523 gear that is the biggest problem I have found...for about every 4 I tear down 1 of them gears can be re-used...As they are no longer available new this gear I think is what is going to be the thorn in these transmissions...

Guys, I'm going to post a pic when I take it.....tomorrow. I'd like your opinion on two spare 3523 gears I have. They may be a better choice.

Back to the Future! You look like Michael J Fox in that pic, Ken Nice score on the new ride

Well here a some pics of the other gears. The reverse idler needs replacing and I'll reuse the high and second especially as they are hard to get. I'd like to replace the cluster gear. While we're at it here are the forks. The dimples on each seem ok. The input gear will be reused. I feel as the input gear is iffy, should I reuse or replace? Just for the record is the trash low/reverse gear. The splined shaft looks OK.

Just to memorialize this, here are photos of the gears. I'll comment on what I think about condition and ask for your responses. Now obviously in the best of all worlds magically I'd find the entire contents of the transmission NOS but we know that ain't gonna happen. So it is always a compromise. The pinion gears look iffy but I'm not a puller. Same for the Axle Gear. And I'd reuse the Axle gear and the Brake Shaft Gear. I'll start another message so there are not too many photos in an email.

I picked up this new to me 1968 Morris Minor pickup , she is in amazing condition although she has had a re spray at some point , Not sure you guys in US have any of these UK made Morris minors.

What a great thread, and awesome forum this has become. Love this place!!

If I could make a wish I would love a round hood but the scale of a C series with a 16hp Kohler an auto box, with a 42" deck. A front attachment for a small circular saw. For real I'd settle for a C-161 automatic with a 42" deck an some form of grass collection device.

I have two WH 11's and wanted a WH C160 and found one on Craigslist a 1974 in pretty good shape a few months ago that had been stored properly in a barn for 7 yrs. The man wanted $1500.00 for the tractor, mower deck, plow, tiller, snow blower, larger 2 wheel trailer, chains, wheel weights, and most parts to operate all the implements. He was sick of people wanting only certain things and when I offered him $800.00 cash for all of it he excepted my offer. He even delivered the tractor in his larger pickup and I loaded in two trips all the other parts. My question is do you think I came on a good deal.? Iv since bought another same C160 and paid $400.00 just for the tractor alone.. They both run top notch and I love them. I think for my $1200.00 Iv done pretty well.

Steve, this one is an antique, yours is an artifact or something...

This horse was found upside down in a dumpster by my friend(tunaslayet). He brought the oil-covered 312-8 to my house with a crushed hood, broken steering wheel, and crushed center console. The hour meter read around 1000 hours, but the engine ran with little effort and the transmission shifted smoothly. I quickly began disassembling the horse and fixing/replacing any damaged parts. Sourcing a steering wheel proved to be a challenge, so i retrofitted a boat steering wheel which came out great and was very inexpensive. I cleaned up and repainted the entire tractor and freshened it up with throwback redo-your-horse stickers and fresh turfsavers. I initially began to set this up as the mower that it once was, but shifted my focus to creating a front end loader after my friends father hooked me up with a great selection of hydraulic equipment in exchange for a custom cabinet. I quickly found a loader on craigslist in Maine. The loader was properly sized, in great shape, missing most of the hydraulic components, and well built from PF engineering plans. I quickly picked up the required steel and began fabricating. Here is the 312-8 the day I got it. The loader on the day I bought it in ME. It is nested with a Kwikway that my friend (tunaslayet) purchased on the same day. We both sourced loaders in ME and took the road trip from Southeastern MA to pick them up. Very exciting weekend. Initial mock up of the loader on the 312. I sacrificed the attach-a-matic and welded it directly to the frame. I decided to modify the support trusses to allow for better PTO clearance and maintainability. I added a slight bend and welded a support gusset to add strength. The PTO and belts are completely serviceable without removing any components from the loader. The back of the frame is supported by 3/8-16 carriage bolts around the rear axle. The weight box is small, but designed to tightly hold a 220lbs stack of exercise cable weights. The weight box alone adds another 40lbs. Wheel weights will soon be added. Here are all of the loader parts painted and ready for assembly. Upgraded to a 520 swept forward front axle with gear reduction steering (Thanks Dennis!). I used trailer hubs instead of the 520 rims. After countless hours of wire-wheeling, grinding, welding, painting, and day-dreaming, my re-rehabilitated 312 is ready to do work for me. I just had to lift something for fun, so i threw my troybilt commercial walk behind mower in the bucket and took it for a ride. The loader lifted the mower with no effort at all.. I may try to lift my 416-8 for fun. Thanks everyone for the help. -Justin

So the wife and decided to just go driving around where we haven't been before. Ended up in the northeast section of Connecticut poking thru the small towns up that way when I saw this Wheel Horse on a sign pole. Also saw this weird lookin plow machine for sale, it had a 8 or 9 HP Briggs in it. Maybe homemade?? Mike.........

I always just drove over mine to get it on, course you must use wood blocks to help get up and over. Just make sure your lift bar is up and out of the way.

A phone call...OK. Any other teams??? Jim D told me last year..."it is a Big Ten Thread"...end of story. I kind of agree with my buddy JimD...but I also realize that Notre "Dame is more of a Big Ten team then they really want to be...they are more of a Big Ten team then Rutgers, Maryland or Nebraska. I kind of like throwing them into the mix...we would be picking the 2 best programs in College Football History. Number 1...Notre Dame and number 2...Michigan.. ......Ohio St. can't be too far behind. I think if anyone has objection...air it out here and now. We are not even talking about Missouri. Actually, I think Iowa St. would be a better choice then Iowa...for the Big Ten. The SWEET CORN is in now... John, I think it is your call in the end...let's see what the College Football Shamans have to say. Me...I have trouble picking any game that has an Indiana Team playing...and so does everyone else, so it is a toss up. OMG...Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame...it would be hard to get 2 out of 3 each week. On the good side...RacinBob will already have 5 or 6 losses.

Very close...it was at the intersection of Rt131 and Rt197 in Quinebaug ct. Mike......

Mike, this guy is from Illinois...he is special people...not that any you help aren't special. Thanks mate. Mike...how many transmissions and horses have we saved through the years\?? I think we have made a good dent in saving horses.

Yep, I have everything he needs...all my 3523 gears look about like his maybe a little better Pm was returned we will see how he wants to proceed with this..I gave him a couple different options....Anyway we can get him fixed up and headed in the right direction.

If we include the "Little Sister's of the Poor" I'll win every week!

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Let's see...5 what??? I already have 5 horses, 3 x 5 dinosaurs, at least 5 dependents, five pair of reading glasses spread through out the house, five fingers on each hand, 5" I never use and can't see 5 five gallon buckets, and probably 5 reasons to not play this game anymore. But when you kicked everyone's butt last year...you do feel compelled to come back and see if all you Football Shamans learned anything from last year. Brrly's already got 6 or 7 losses...Duke already has 5 or 6 losses. Are we going to pick the Notre Dame games also this year. I think we should. It is your thread John...what say you??

What a great collection of paper weights. I think your pinions and axle gears, differential gear and mushroom gear are OK. Yes, replace the cluster gear (#3525), the 1st / reverse fork gear (#3524), reverse idler (#4204) and the detente spring #3518). I know Mike does not have the 2nd / 3rd fork gear (#3523), but if one popped up, I would change it out also. It looks pretty worn on the inside where it meshes with the input gear. I am thinking it would pop out of 3rd if the horse was under load...but if we can''t find one...so be it. I would go a head and send a PM to racinfool40 for those parts. The gasket WH# 3912 is available from TORO for about $6.00. The bearing in the picture with the needle bearings out of their place, it looks like WH# 1529...cluster shaft bearing (closed) crosses to Torrington M-12121 and is available from your favorite NAPA dealer...or Motion Industries. Ed, can you give us another view of the ends of the reverse idler, it could be the pictures, but it looks to me like that was placed in the transmission upside down. I would like to verify that so you do not do that with the new one. Looks like you added a few pictures. Your fork shafts are fine. Your shifter is fine. You could replace that input gear...If Mike has one, but it will work if he does not.

@wallfish Nice pics and drawing John, that will help a lot of people. I just had that pedal in my hand this weekend and was thinking of doing the same thing. (stuff like this is something we should build a library of!)

Darn! I knew it was your birthday, knew that you knew that no one had made your birthday wish backhoe for it, but for a moment I thought maybe you would make your own dream come true and build one! Then it became my wish to see one! Wouldn't that be NEAT?!?

The sundstrand hydro manual covers the transaxle in detail on page 57. Download available here http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/files/file/24-transmission-hydro-sundstrand-sm-492-4206pdf/

Are we a little Impatient??? Just a little??? Two weeks away and he starts sweating!!!! Ah ha, I know now, he thinks he's going to repeat!!!! Ha ha Dino, we don't do repeats here!!! I'll place five that he doesn't even come close!

Welcome!

1075 or 1076 8" moldboard plow Tiller rear disc or 2 piece cultivator.

Good question Lane. It couldn't hurt but the later rails came about as a means to stop the transmission from locking in two gears. Service bulletin #60 addresses this. That happened in 1965 so I would imagine he has the later style on his 857. Just went back and checked. It does look like he has the newer style. Only the center detents are deeper.

The Beast will be there!!!

Here's what the pedal looks like if you want make one or look for an original

Thanks for all the encouragement. this will be my first total teakardown and rebuild. I want to make sure it is done well. I have made a little more progress. I got detained because I had to do a little upgrade on my electrical system. Started blowing fuses so I added a couple 240 volt circuits and replaced the old fuse box. Now back to the fun stuff. I had finally started on the blast cabinet. I will start a new thread for the build.I have totally tore down the starter/gen and ordered new studs.I need to find a new bolt. One was rounded off.

There is a mostly original, 100% complete, restored 1960 Suburban 400 (I think) for sale right here in my town. I don't know the exact model, but there is a 4hp Kohler, so I'm calling it a Suburban 400 for now. The parts that seem to be missing in the pictures are in a box--but everything appears to be there. Is $500 a great price, or not really? I couldn't put it to work for much, but it sure would be fun and cool to own one of the classic round hoods. I may not buy it, but the temptation is great. It is unusual to see one of these just sitting out at a garage sale when driving by.

Someone else in a similar thread said to drive over and on it. I've done that with some other decks but the same setup as yours. You could build a set of small ramps to get you started up. You don't won't to use the Kioti to plow?

You guys are great, just in case you haven't been recognized for your wealth of knowledge and eagerness to help. I'm just going to make some new straps out of steel banding (clamp material) instead of trying to clean up and reshape old ones. One trick we use in my industry is to line the inside of band clamps with felt. It serves two purposes with pipe organs (I build them for a living)--seals any tiny leakage and dampens vibration. In this case I'm hoping to remove any chance of noise. I was thinking of riveting the straps via the holes, and tacking them with a welder. But bolting would be quicker and removable. I'll see what mood I'm in when I get to it.

Frank, you have certainly posted your inquiry in the right place, in order to get the info you desire; however, it is evident that posting a bit more info will return a more accurate answer. Specifically, How does the engine run, Smoke? Knock? What about the Hydro? While butted up against a fixed object {such as a tree, and without chains} will it spin the rear tires? Are the 3 Point Hitch and Dozer / Snow Plow included? Do you have a deck that is going to be included? How tight is the steering? Ect... Mark.

Oh yea, good point. The original tank is 5" for you top compare. You mentioned that the PO was still digging stuff out. Maybe contact him and see if he's got the original.

Just the fact I have a plan is a step in the right direction the way things have gone this summer!

If it were mine I would also change the front brakes to power disc, once you are accustomed to them the old drum brakes seem like Fred Flintstone brakes.

Love my 520-8 but would like a hydro to "play" with.

OK... let me catch my breath... I just returned from visiting "the barn" that he has all the 400 parts stored at. I drove an hour to get there so that I could carefully check everything out--myself. Everything belonging to the little 400 was kept in it's own small covered trailer inside the barn. He turned the latch, and I swear I heard an angelic chorus singing as the doors swung open. It looks like everything is there (except maybe some minor things like springs and belts). The parts that are not already installed are just simply not cleaned up and painted yet. And, tucked way up in the front of the trailer what did I see...? The original mower deck, in it's unaltered, unrestored--but looks to be all there--condition! BONUS!!! Regarding the front tires: they are not filled with anything (including air); the bead is not sealed on either rim. The liquid seen in the picture was just oil that he used on the spindle. That will be replaced with the correct grease when I turn around the front axle. Regarding the cut hood: yep... kinda sucks... and there is a little jagged section in the cut right near the bottom of wherre the ID plate goes. But certainly not a dealbreaker. Which brings me to my final point... There WAS a deal made. The 1960 Wheel Horse Suburban 400 is MINE! I will be picking everything up this evening. One quick question: should I put gear oil in the gearbox prior to rolling it onto the trailer? Or am I just overly concerned about rolling it a few feet dry--they obviously weren't, because they rolled it out of the garage? What type of oil is used in the Uni Drive? BTW, good thing I was smart enough to put a deposit on it yesterday. They have had 15 people today wanting to buy the tractor. One of them offered twice the asking price. I'm glad these nice people are honest.

Got the carb done last nite, Berrymans worked exceptionally well. Had to modify the float tang a little to get it to work with the new inlet valve. Have to figure out how to "antique" the new filter to get it look right with the rest of the engine. Can't have shiney new parts on it! Hopefully it works and makes the Clinton putt....putt. Hats off to my friend Beef for helping.... works R&D at Kohler Engines. He used to work for Keihin Fuel Systems and is a real carb pro! Better shot of the tranny nos. if it helps anyone in ID it.....