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Hello wheel horse people. Through lot's of talking and hunting I got the old battered horse home. This horse was another one headed to the shredder to become soup cans, but it was saved by one of my co-workers before I started at the recycling yard and after much talking and some trading it's mine now. A 416_8 with electric lift. The tractor is in very ruff shape with a ton of little problems. There are many parts on the tractor that would fit the old faithful 312 but I think I should just fix it and keep one more horse out grazing. Tell me what you think. Oh and before I go the infamous rock shaft under the seat is intact that was my unicorn part

I recently got a new job at the local metal recycling yard. In two weeks time I was able to save a few Wheel Horse implements. One tiller one snow plow and two single stage snowblower. All of these were headed to the sherreder but I caught it just in time. These findings lead me two my next find a 416 8 with electric lift. Going tomorrow night to pick up the tractor I will get pics of it tomorrow but here are the implements

Finally got one....on the 4th of July!! My 11 yr old boy was rather excited!! Thad

Hey I'm new to this forum. I just inherited a 63 wheelhorse 753. I'm wondering what are some specs on it and what attachments can i put on. I'm looking more for a plow and or mower deck. Will other year mower decks fit or are there specific decks i need for the 753.

I recently picked up a front mower from the big show. I got it for a whopping $90!. It works great under trees and bushes. Took me quite a while to find one. Here are some pictures after getting it hooked up.

Found these on CL today. They were given to the guy so I offered $75 and he took it. I'm not sure what they are worth but I know at least the $75 I paid, right? I have a pair I got last year that are white, and the weights I picked up today are black. Did WH make them different colors for different years?

Smokes man, if you have a 607 with only 5° of play I think you are doing better than factory! But yea, just make sure the fan gear is shimmed as close as possible to the pinion on the pivot point. Also check for ovaling of the spots where the pinion and the fan gear shaft rotate in. You can either replace the parts or get clever with bushings like some have on here.

Velkommen Magne hyggelig å se deg her!!

i agree, add a shim Hey looky there...I'm a Red Square supporter now!

Make sure you pack your Wisconsin state bird repellent. They're big and hungry this year.

When the time gets closer, we'll begin to request teams. The one thing to keep in mind is that the WHCC show is not a RedSquare event, and we must work within the guidelines of the WHCC show. I think that if done right, this activity will compliment the show and give those who can not attend the show an activity to watch thereby (hopefully) bringing more participants for the next show!

I have resorted to a hydraulic bottle jack and a block of wood between the wheels to apply some pressure, then shock it with the BFH.

Loosen the lug nuts a bit, and drive the tractor in tight circles.

When I designed my new barn I made sure this was included. I may end up going with a second shelf....

Wow just read all 8 pages and i'm a s l o w reader. You DO GREAT work that's for sure. Sorry to hear about your dad, Hope your mom's doing better. I myself just picked up a D200 came with a deck,blower And a plow. Can't wait to use it =) I've had a 12hp Raider for the past 4 years and love plowing with it. But the D200 i think will rock my world. Or so i hope. Can't wait to see your beast.

1st, this is proof that the Flamingo did follow me home from the Big Show. 2nd, I wanted to take a picture of the Afghan that Squonk won and gave to my wife Chris. Karen (kthack657) made and donated this to the raffle at the Big Show...which makes it that much more special. Thanks Karen and Mike. 3rd, the 876 that I picked up from SmokinJoe. It is sporting it's new choke cable, lift lever adjustment and flywheel / generator guard.

Been a few years since this one's seen daylight.... I tripped over it while looking for something and thought I'd drag it up for some fresh "confessions"!

Looks like Jeff has the idea.... I can bring my Mac too and we can setup multiple angles, maybe have a "Craig Cam" mount a camera to Craig... should be fun

there is suppose to be an idler that goes into the center quick attach, looks very similar to the tiller idler but i believe it only has 1 pulley on it. actually the axle going through the belt and it takes a special belt if i recall correctly. eric j

I too have wondered how the belt works,a mule drive from thr middle attachmatic ?

I can use my MacBook Pro and we can hook up a extra camera with a long usb cable to move around with if we want. Big thing is internet access. Steve we would have to run a wireless router out on your houses porch so I can hook up to it. Have have multiple computers for multiple vantage points!

I will try and get some up tomorrow.

Wonderful save, your job sure has good fringe benefits.

I had a cover come off during the tractor parade during last year's show.

I could be there via Skype if someone has a lap-top. Hint Hint It would be nice to say Hi.

Welcome to Red Square The breakdown of the numbers of the deck like Squonk is showing. RM = Rear discharge Mower...324 = 32" deck made for the 1964 horses..the last number is the year of the deck.. Depending on the mowing you are looking to do, you may want a 36" deck. Like RM-364. Can you post some pictures from all sides of the horse. You have the mid-mount attach-a-matic for the mower deck, but do you have the quick attachment that you would need for a snow blade?? It will mount on the transmission axle.

Looks like a great 876 Steve. I have a 1993 314 from the same outfit in Rockford, Ill - new sticker !

Yea, model will help us a lot. Steering changed a bit over the years. To be honest, 5° of slop isnt too bad... you might not be able to work that out unless you replace most of the steering joints and bushing/shim everything you can. When I bought my 854 I had more than 30° of steering slop!

Good reading Randy. I did the same as you, got a really worn out tractor, took it apart one piece at a time and went to work without much experience in such a thing. I used rustoleum regal red, taking everything down to bare metal then applying several coats of primer, wet sanding between coats, and then a few coats of paint, also wet sanding between coats. The result was really great and I was really surprise, I believe anyone with the patience and care can do an amazing job with rattle cans. Surface prep, lighting and patience seem to be the secret to a great finish. I'd like to see some pics.

Them things are tooooo cool!!

Got any pics of the drive belt arrangement?

If you can make rattle cans with hardener, please give us more information. What kind of paint is it? Is the hardener an isocynate? More info...please.

I get the biggest hammer I have and hit the tire a few times and it usually breaks loose Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk

i have 1 that i bought years ago at the big show, but it never came with all of the hardware so it sat in the shed for years. a couple of years ago i bought a complete front mower with deck and had the hardware duplicated but still never got around to using mine. i keep saying i have to get it out and try it so maybe one of these days. mine has a rod that goes down through the c channel and the deck wheels bolt on the rods. not sure of the purpose of them. now i will have to go and see if i can find the hardware and mount it up eric j

maybe you guy's could get together and organize a work party to help him clean up the other junk around in exchange for a deal on some horses so the town don't end up the the tractors. just an idea eric j

After taking 10lbs of tape off all the wiring, it was already hacked up. That has been problem. pfrederi suggested jumper last night. I was going to try jumper first . If that doesn't work , I am going to put the old switch back in and turn the key. Thanks for all of you all's help. Had to do honey do chores and cut grass with B 82 today so shade tree work had to be put off.

This is a nice little steam show with beautiful grounds and a nice little flea market. I won't be able to make it this year. They get a fairly good variety GT turnout, but their focus really is their steamers. I was surprised at how many guys just showed up to take their tractor through the parade and then never saw them again all day. Seemed to me the Wheel Horse guys were the only ones who hung out for conversation all day.

I wrap rubberized electrical tape around the cap. It has two sided sticky rubber and protects the painted wheel. It works for me!!!

That would make adjusting it easier if you don't have to take the whole base off! May be going to Lowes for a plug and then match it up with a good drill bit myself!

RedRanger, Back slowly away from those nasty hubcaps! Call me with your exact GPS location and I will come by and pick them up thereby eliminating any danger to your freshly powder coated wheels!!!!!!

Good question , I don't have an answer but I would be interested to hear if there is a solution.

Welcome to Redsquare , I wished we had 1054 in UK .

Sweet looking build Magne.

Sweet mother of red garden tractors, what a herd. I like them all !

You got a good deal there... not sure about your color question... both of the sets I have were originally red.

I'm interested in participating. The show before this last one, my brother came to the show without a tractor so we bought all the parts at the show and built one. We did it right in the dirt road in front of our display area. It did take some time away from doing other things around the show but that kind of stuff is fun for me. We had a couple of spectators and few hecklers as we did it plus quite a few people stopped by to check it out so there was plenty of interaction going on. After getting it all together and dumping about a quart of water out of the engine, we had it running and driving. It actually ran pretty good without cleaning the carb and didn't smoke. Cost was about $375 but Jdogg (Jordan) hooked us up with some real good prices on the engine and MANY of the small miscellaneous parts which made it possible. We could've just bought a $250 or $300 tractor and drove away with it but doing it this way was MUCH more fun!

After going through 3 canopies since 2010 , I am taking delivery on a new professional model 10' x 15' red canopy this year. Cost is almost 3 times that of those I've had in the past, so I hope to get a few more years out of this one. Any contributions to the cause will be rewarded with some of Mrs. M's cookie bars.

Thought I would add one more to the mix... What I use when I paint my wheel horses is code pr4,my dad matched this to the nos hood that we found for the tractor,this paint would be a 03 crysler red. You can get it mixed at most any auto parts stores. Here is a pic of the 401 that was painted with it.

@Gary - there were at least four different "reds" used between 1946 and now - and that doesn't include formula variance, mixing error, application technique, and difference between brands/suppliers. Modern aersol paints may be close, but none are an exact match to the actual paint used by Wheel Horse and/or Toro. (and that includes their own touch-up paint) Choosing the "proper" red for a Wheel Horse is much like throwing a hand grenade...... all you need to do is get it close.

Perry, et. al; I don't mow with any of my Wheel Horses either! (and I have a bunch of them) back in 1987 dad bought a new 211-4 with the 37" Sd deck and a bagger and it was a great mower (still is too after 1500 hours on the original aluminum briggs and peerless). That tractor started the nonsense of collecting these things for me. Dad still has the tractor, but retired it for a bigger machine when he moved. When I lived in South Bend (my first home on my own) I had a yard that was big enough for a tractor, but I always used my LawnBoy push mower since I was in good shape and could cut faster than I could with a tractor (that was a few years and several pounds ago ). When I did use a WH and deck to play around, I found I was never happy with the cut quality except that obtained by the 37" and newer 38" decks. But keep in mind that all of the yards in my neighborhood including mine were perfectly manicured (in ground spinklers, lots of fertilizer, aerating, dethatching, the works) so the standards were impossibly high. Even when set up properly, the 42" side discharge really seems to leave a lot of un-cut grass since it doesn't seem to generate much vacuum. The 48" SD is better though, but not really on par with some of the nicer "air tunnel" decks from more modern Toro's or competitors. Perhaps the longer blades equate to more overlap and higher tip speeds compared to the 42". I like the 42" RD for the ability to trim on both sides, but have found that if the grass is tall/heavy/thick/wet it leaves a lot of clumps on the lawn. Makes sense though since the grass can't be easily dispersed by any RD deck. But the RD decks can nearly double as bush hogs since they can process a lot of material. I don't recommend using a RD on a hydro tractor unless you are mindful of sweeping the chaff from the pump housing to allow cooling. The old style cross shaft decks (32" and 36" RD) do a good job at CUTTING the grass, but tend to windrow the clippings if the grass is heavy. And they also deposit it immediately in front of the rear wheels which then roll over it and pack it down. Really, I have never been terribly impressed by the cut quality of most of WH's decks. I think a lot, though, depends on how particular you are about how the lawn looks and also on the exact conditions of your lawn. For example, now that I have 10 acres to cut and millions of dandelions (literally), my standards are way, way lower than they were in my weed-free South Bend lawn. Toro/WH published a "Quality of Cut" manual for the more modern tractors that details how to optimize your setup to get the most out of the deck. talks about leveling the deck from front to back and some other "tips" to get the most out of them. I think it can be downloaded free from Toro.com I know a lot of guys who know me from the Yahoo site are groaning right now about my little rant ...sorry. But, I think most of the shortcomings of the WH decks really just relate to the older "flat deck" designs that don't make much allowance for airflow. Look at virtually any modern deck and you see a deep channel that promotes high air speeds at the leading edge of the deck. And as we all remember from our fluid dynamics classes , higher fluid velocites equate to greater vacuum (more or less). Better vacuum stands more blades of grass upright. More upright blades get cut better. etc. New decks on modern zero turns seem to have gone back to the "flat" design, but they make up for it with higher blade speeds, airfoils on the blade tips, and/or lots of internal baffling. WH improved the decks over the years, but at least into the 80's really didn't match the likes of Simpicity or Deere in cut quality. I have never used a newer 52" deck from Toro, but it looks like it ought to be a good cutter..and I have heard reports that it does indeed do a great job. The 60" used on the C195 is something I have no familiarity with so can't comment, but its wacky design suggests it isn't optimized for a great cut. The 60" used on the 520-H, however, is reported to be a great cutter. I have the identical deck under my 724-Z zero turn and can report that it does a decent job. I run the tractor at almost full ground speed when cutting so imagine that on a slower moving 520 it leaves no blades untouched. I suspect that deck was designed/made by Dixie Chopper since they made the zero turns for WH (and later, Toro) for many years. That is a heavy sucker too! About 350 pounds I think! Ironically, that 60" deck is a flat top design. But there are baffles underneath and more appreciable overlaps on the blades than on the older WH decks. Still doesn't match the best decks out there, but a very capable cutter nonetheless. Presently, I cut my grass - as infrequently as possible - with the following items: 1. 1995 Toro-WH 724-Z with a 60" deck 2. 1981 Ford 1700 tractor with 72" JD 3pt mower when the grass is too tall for the Toro. 3. the Ford and a 5' bush hog for when things get out of hand. I sometimes cut around the house with a WH if I want the grass shorter or want to play, but I generally reserve the WH's for tilling, blading, pulling, etc and seldom have a deck mounted to any of them. Amazingly, the zero turn Toro with its little 5' deck will cut my grass significantly faster than will the ford with its bigger 6' deck. Unless something breaks, i will never go back to cutting with a tractor style mower again. I regularly mow about 3-4 acres around the house as a "lawn" and the Toro does the job in about 1.5 hours compared to the Ford doing it in 2.5. AND, I don't have nearly the trimming with the string trimmer I did before! What an invention! (Where did the claim that a GT-14 with a 48" deck could cut 3 acres an hour come from? I guess if you had a 48" wide stretch of grass a couple miles long it would do it...) So, what was my point? if you expect your lawn to look like a well manicured estate (better than a golf course) you might be disappointed with any 20+ year old tractor. But if you want something that does a "B" grade job and puts you in the seat for a few hours, you can't go wrong with any WH mower. I feel kind of badly about opening such a can of worms as a relative newcomer, but just trying to offer what i think is an objective opinion based on my experience. Your results may vary! Best wishes , Steve