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I wasn't going to reply to this topic but after a couple of PM's asking my opinion I figured I'd chime in. First and most importantly a fundamental belief that I have. Forums are communities where information is shared. RedSquare is a community for Wheel Horse enthusiasts. We are not a business and aside from forum hats and supporter packages don't sell anything. Our philosophy is and always has been to support as broad a range of collector / owners as we can. We do this through the sharing of technical information, personal friendships and a sense of community for a shared interest. We have and continue to support other communities as well, and they have supported us when we needed it too. In the end all these communities have the same goals to provide information and friendship amongst the members and visitors, and most do it very well. It's been accepted practice here to allow the posting of other forums as well as the discussion of them as long as it doesn't turn into forum bashing. To me, nothing is worse than going onto a community / forum and seeing posts about "that other forum" and how they do this, do that, ban this, edit that.... and that will not be tolerated here of WheelHorseStable or any other forum. So my opinion. I personally like RedSquare, but I have also joined up on WheelHorseStables.com. It is somewhat out of curiosity but also in support of the effort. I am certain that many of you will enjoy both forums, and some will prefer WheelHorseStables and some RedSquare, and that's okay with me, I don't feel that there needs to be a competition. No one is going to get banned from RedSquare because they joined another forum and like it better, really it's okay, there's no such thing as one size fits all in this world. Now, that said, we will insure that proper respect is given to all other communities here on RedSquare, and that means that we can't be having talk of the "other" forum. It's fine to reference posts and information on WheelHorseStables via links where applicable, but please be sure to respect the intellectual property from WheelHorseStables.com as I am sure they will respect ours on RedSquare. So that's my opinion, I hope that you are able to enjoy both, of course RedSquare a little bit more

To put the trans back on to the frame it really helps to take a couple of 3/8 x 2" bolts...cut the heads off and the burrs from that...use those bolts, as studs, in opposite holes to line up the trans on the frame. It makes it so much easier to start and tighten the other 2 bolts...then remove the studs with a pair of pliers and place the last 2 bolts. This is the best tip there is.

Just thought I would post this picture.

I have my spare Onan running well and finally starting well on the loader tractor. I was changing rear tires around when I noticed some oil under the frame runners. I started stripping the tractor down more and found the lines to the hydro-lift were real loose and leaking! That's when I decided to start checking everything I could since it is out of commission and undergoing some needed work. Over half the the loader's contact points were loose. I dug into the fan gear on the steering and it was caked with crude. Cleaned and lubed up again! Changed a connector on the neutral safety switch. Cleaned terminals in the dash tower around the battery. Cleaned out the fins around the hydro pump. (Not bad but removed the grime on them). Cleaned the grass in the bottom of the tower and along the frame rails. Checked the frame/transmission attach point for cracks/loose bolts. Shot grease in all the zerks. I'll change the hydro oil next. This will sport some 26 x 12 x 12 rubber on the back soon. Modifying the fender tub and the foot boards this week to get them under it. Dual tires are nice but for one thing, I really don't want to snap and axle and two, in the snow, they stick out farther than the bucket and packing snow down that I'm trying to pick up! And if your trying to get along the side of your driveway, forget it! What a mess!

Karl. Very well stated. My hats off to you sir. Glenn

Luv my home made foot control on my 520H for snow blowing. It leaves the right hand available to steer and the left hand on the lift. The hand forward/reverse hand control is also still available for fine control when backing into a tight space.

I bought this ole girl knowing it sat for over a year, checked the oil, sanded the points, added some fuel, she cracked right off and purred like a kitten. Thought for sure the carb would have to come off, couldn't believe it, but he was a stickler for running his engines until the bowls are empty after shutting off the gas. Now I just need that new seat pan to get here so I can bolt it on and we're good to go, maybe look for a generator belt guard.

Thanks Karl for your post on this subject. I agree with Glenn, ( very well stated )

Here are a few examples....

Can I go to Geno's site and figure out how to get banned? Being a moderator for so long here on RS I would feel like a trader... lol. Good luck with the site Geno. Make sure you visit here too!

My Electro light switch has done its time so I have been on the look out for one. Sure enough one pops up on eBay NOS with correct part #. Before you know it this thing sells for $37.00 .I guess that guy really had to have it. Did a little research and found that it is a Cole Hersee. Sure enough its in their catalogue with all the specs, dimensions...etc. A little more searching and they pop up everywhere. Got two for a total of $14.00 and they even sent a free little led flash light. Bezel is a little undersized even though specs are the same as original, however the bezel is interchangeable with the new switches, it just clips on. New bezel does fit correctly and cover cutout if one wants to use it. So just do a little research. These things are out there.

I typically paint the rims with a brush using semi gloss rusto and it seems to give the look I want. I am not looking to make the rims too glossy but clean. I then use miller's tire paint and paint the tires. On the paint I have wet sanded and/or scotchbrite pads. I have used new motor oil, old motor oil, WD-40 and Marvil Mystery oil. I tend to like the mystery oil sprayed out of a bottle because I can get in into the areas I cannot reach with a rag. I can be dirty but I like the look.

3 hours sleep over the last two days... haven't been smiling too much lately.

Go it back together today...rear end actually ended up being pretty bad., one of the bushings was badly worn, which made the axle move up and down which just about destroyed the axle/gear as well as the other gear. Luckily I had a parts tractor I bought at the big show that had gears in it I used to fix this one. Also noticed it only drove from one wheel, it looks this one was messed up from the factory as they welded the plate on backwards that cause the pauls to engage, the hub is however in great shape on that side which is a plug, to get it driving again just ended up welding where the dimples were and now it guides the springs and the paul engages driving the wheel! Also cleaned up the spindles old dried up grease and got everything nice and smooth, also added a set of the pins that go in the tie bar which helped tighten it up some. Here's a few pictures of it in progress and back together, Gear case cover cleaned up... where the plate was installed wrong and welded hubs/pauls cleaned up and back side of the case and finally a shot before the cover was installed Back on all 4's

Add one more to the "very well stated Karl" pile. Very well written and thought out

The 2nd best tip is go out to a store and buy a pair of good grippy gloves for the wife/girlfriend. That way she won't drop the trans on you when she picks it up to install on the frame and you're lying underneath ready to start the bolts!

I know you don't want to hear this Steve but I had to drill mine out and with a Cobalt bit. A regular bit wouldn't touch mine.

Just in case you wondered, everyone in northern Wisconsin and the Upper penninsula of Michigan is laughing their asses off right now. A two foot drop of snow is not historic, does not shut down the city for three days, and does not require the National Guard. It is called Tuesday, and it happens all the time!

I finally figured out how to download these pictures. This particular one goes about 25 mph. Its also dirty in these pictures because I was out playing with it. What do you all think?

So so you can keep up with the latest Traffic lights with countdown indicators . A pen that lets you scan and write in any color. Wall outlets with USB chargers. It should also come with a built-in night light . And the ultimate outlet would also have extension cords built into the wall . Small tiles you can attach to your keys, wallet, computer, or pretty much anything. If you lose anything, you can then look up their location on your Smartphone . Fresh pizza vending machines . Benches that you can turn to always have a dry seat . Power strips that you can expand and rotate . Mug that catches any drips . Parking garages with lights showing open spaces . Stairs with slides . Supermarkets with build your own 12-packs of soda . How to stop littering . Back pack with hood -- where was this when I was in school? Device that charges your phone from hot or cold drinks. Or this solar powered charger. Water fountains with built-in water bottle filling station. Subways where you can pay by recycling. Device to lift the Pringles up. A fun way to clean. A hair brush that is easy to clean . Ear buds that won’t tangle. USB rechargeable batteries. Packing tape that is easy to open. Bike racks that don’t take up sidewalk space. Caution signs that are funny. Movie theater screens in the bathroom so you don’t miss anything. Even better if the theater has bean bag seats. And a Red Garden Tractor that just goes on and on and does everything . . . Oh, we have that, a Wheel Horse. ct: RE: What's new in 2015

She looks like she can push some snow with that weight out back.

I eventually want to get a snow blower attachment for my C-120. I am waiting to stumble across a good deal, but don't know what one works the best and fits my tractor. Any suggestions?

Paul, you mentioned something that I had not thought of. I have a 312A as well and for all the bad rap that the Eaton 700 gets, it is a smoother transmission to operate using the motion control between the legs than my '89 520-H. One of the reasons could be the lower horsepower/torque of the two engines in comparison. I know I like the straight shot on the 312A compared to the notch pattern on the 520-H. I had a 520-H with the column shifter and felt it left a lot to be desired. Count me as having Matt's kit on the shelf for quite a while as well. I really should install it on the 520-H as my three 5xi use a foot pedal and it would make it easier operating between the different tractors. Maybe this Spring!

to I would keep checking ebay as have seen dozens over past two years from <$75 to $100. This link included tells how you cah use a 12hp crank and I believe a M-10 crank if I read correctly. I may have misinterpreted the K to M cross exchange of some internals. I got one a couple years back. If you want to complicate it a bit the site I'll add in here tells how to take a K-301 crank and use in a K-241: http://gardentractorpullingtips.com/engine.htm. Look down near end at "GREEN" bordered modification. It says you use 10hp piston and block with 12hp rod and crank From link: K241/M10 (10hp) block. K241/M10 (10hp) piston/rings assembly. Stock K301/M12 (12hp), K321/M14 (14hp), K341/M16 (16hp) connecting rod, a K361 (18hp OHV) ALCOA rod, or a 5.7" billet rod with a 1.500" plain aluminum journal hole. K301/M12 (12hp), K321/M14 (14hp), K341/M16 (16hp) or a K361 (18hp OHV) engine crankshaft. This combination of parts will create a 27 cubic inch engine, a hybrid model K271, or a "stroker 10hp engine." With a STD size [10hp] piston, this engine will have a 3.250" bore and 3.250" stroke, resulting in a 26.96 cubic inch displacement engine. For strength and durability, especially if it's built to the max, it's best to use a model K241 (10hp) block with K301 embossed on the PTO end, like the one pictured above È. These particular blocks have an extra thick cylinder wall.

I'll bet it keeps the seat warm, Ed!

I used to be real big into guitars before cars came into the picture, then jet ski's, then houses, then kids and now tractors. Lol. I still have five guitars and amps buried away in hopes that someday my son will find an interest. This is a pic of my sunburst strat 12 that I custom ordered through the Fender custom shop back in the early 90's. In the late 80's these were produced for a very short run. I had an opportunity to buy one but never did. I always wanted one though. When I finally had a chance to custom order one, I went through The East Coast Music Mall in Danbury, CT (which is now long gone) and according to them, Fender claimed to only have two original 12 string necks left from the original production run. This is supposedly one of them. I have all the order paper work with it too. Funny thing is, I think I've only used it a handful of times - and was scared to death taking this picture afraid it might get scratched.

In an ideal world, some of those ideas might work, but only if the screw is loose enough to turn. But the reason it broke is because it is frozen by rust. And the area that Steve has to work with is this. The only solution in my opinion is to remove the transmission, then drill or whatever on the bench. The area is just too tight to get anything into.

Don't know what the clearance issues are around this model, but what has occasionally worked in the past for a broken off screw that is loose, is to get an undersized screw and put a drop of a high quality instant glue/super glue on the tip and insert it to make contact with the broken screw. Give it a chance to cure then try backing it out by hand. This actually worked for me twice on a transmission mount bolt in a Chevy pickup that kept breaking. Rick

Yeah why not, something with the Beverly Hillbillys type of melody

Steve neat pluming on muffler. Nice tractor. Gary B..

That's cool can't wait to see the finished tractor

1/4-20 thread use a heli-coil to repair Brian

ya it was -15 celcius,thats about zero f,buts its been cold here all winter,today was about -4 c,but tonight is gonna be -18c,and tomorrow not above -13c

After quite a while my wheel horse raider 12 is finally restored except for a seat which is on its way. I haven't really been showing it off because it's not a popular hobby for people my age. I just turned 16. So I can't really talk to people at my school about it because a lot of people don't even know what wheel horses even are. That's why I came to this website because there are a lot of wheel horse lovers just like myself. I also have a brinley plow hitch on my one wheel horse does anyone know what it's worth

That's a great piece of information formariz. Not only for Electro owners but for everybody looking for a part for their rebuild. A little research can pay big dividends.

Matts pedals are great... unless you have short legs and a big belly, I blame mine on the insulated layers to keep me warm. If this is the case try and find a 8-3900 wheel horse foot control. Vertically challenged portly individuals fit well with those

No pictures but I actually have a little experience with a moldboard plow on the same tractor . I got a Brinly years back for it not that I intended to really use it but just to play around with . Tried it in the back of property and it worked pretty good. Outstanding issue is definitely weight in the front specially if your ground is tough. I can tell you that the 55lb weight is definitely not enough . As Racinbob said the front axle should not be a problem. However one place i would check is the plate connecting the frame to the transmission. It is prone to cracking. Mine gas developed such cracks over the years just from the heavy duty snow plowing and general use around property mowing and hauling stuff. She is retired now, just sits there parked next to Kenny (Electro 12) and when door opens probably wispers to herself " Good let the youngster do all the work, I did my share".

The best thing that I have used is extra virgin olive oil , it gives a wonderful satin lustre and only costs a few dollars.

This one ?? She is up on the tractor shelf forever ....

Here's a better picture of the dogpoint set screw Check this post:

I hear ya.I had -16 is AM.My 416H is in an unheated barn.I used the tractor yesterday and put it away last night.Today it looked like a block of snow and ice.Choke cable was frozen.Took the heat gun and thawed that so I could pull it out.Cranked on it for a while til the battery was too low.Luckily the Ford 3000 diesel started.I dragged the 416H out of the barn and pushed it into my shop and fired up the furnace.I'll probably have to leave the horse in there all day to thaw out.Like yours.....this Wheel Horse has ALWAYS started.I guess it doesn't like -16.Matter of fact,neither do I.

I've purchased several that needed nothing more than regular maintenance. They're are plenty of them out there. I had a 312-8 which I painted the tin and dressed it up a little. Nothing serious. A year later I heard a weird noise from trans, and that's no easy task given the noise of motor. Tore trans apart and found 2 bad needle bearings. Wasn't all that difficult but I had no intention of getting involved. My advice if you go though as much trouble as I did on this one don't ever sell it. Cause it'll probably last another 20-30 years!

hopefully the set screw hole(where the set screw screws in)isn't worn,i had one that I had to drill and tap a larger size,but that's a rare occurance

I will try to answer everything one at a time Steve. I know there are a lot of questions out there. I didn't build the site to enhance my business. I built it so whoever bought something from me could get help when they needed it from people that could help, especially when I'm not around. When warm weather hits I will be gone a lot. That's why the decal has the site and phone on it and doesn't even mention sales or service. If you concentrate solely on service the sales will follow. I've never advertised in my lifetime, ever. My business has never even had a sign, a name on the building, or the mailbox. It's even pretty much hidden with trees on a hill, and people here who have been to my shop will tell you that it is hard to find even though it's on a main 4 lane highway. I have always said if you treat people right they will beat the door down to get to you. Seems like someone who retired at 52 to play with the Horses has proven that point pretty well. It took me 2 weeks to get the board the way I wanted it, then I wanted about 2 more weeks with the mods to find the obvious bugs, run it through some paces, and do moderator training. Being the Admin, I couldn't even see what other groups could see. It is still member and my customers only now to give it a better shakedown and I'm finding a few more things I have to fix. I'm not new to this board thing either, I owned one over 12 years ago with 60K members. If things stay the way they have been I may never even mention what I have for sale on my site, like I never did here. It's hard to mention what's for sale when I have 14 on a waiting list right now. I can't get them restored fast enough. My CL ad even says the ones pictured are sold and we are getting others ready because we can't keep up... That is what I'm up to as far as sales go, but there is a whole lot more coming. We are also turning a part of the shop it into a fabrication area and going to get much deeper into parts this year We have a shear, roller and brake on the way now. You guys should know by now when I do something I don't mess around...

I signed up on Geno"s site yesterday. I still love Red Square and I am a lifetime supporter but it's all about tractors and a bunch of nice guys and gals talking tractors.That's what we all have in common. What could be more fun than that ?

I joined. It's like going over to your neighbor's for a beer. Red Square is my Home!

OK Blue...what is it...honestly??? Geno has said nothing in this thread...it is all just a few guys speaking for him. I feel like I am in the 5th grade again.

here are a couple pics of my new tractor shown is what i have where the pto attaches

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias manifesting in unskilled individuals suffering from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Huh???