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Since i'm on vacation for the next two weeks I figure I'd better clean out the shop and garage. The shop was a disaster from the rush to get the C-160 done for the show. Seeing as my tractors live in my work shop they had to be the first things out before I could start. After having well over 60 different Wheel Horse/Pond tractors over the last 9 years I am down to just three. One from each of what I feel were the 3 best decades for the company. The 50's, 60's and 70's. And yes for those with the keen eyes that is a 61' NOS hood on my 58' RJ. The RJ's original hood is actually going to the local Tech school this year so they can fix the issues with the metal and will be placed back on the tractor when complete. I also picked up a K90 at this years show and plan on putting this tractor back to the way it left the factory. The 50's The 60's The 70's Also had out my other two toys because they needed to come out of the shop too. Not Wheel Horses but cool none the less!

with all these 416Hs coming out of the woodwork, I'm starting to hear voices from the corner of my garage where my 92 416H sits covered up. the voices are telling me its time to do a hydro, whats up with that?

Pics will be coming this week. Don't worry. Today I finally found the elusive "M16 Magnum Powered" Wheel Horse 416-8. I have been looking for one of these for several years now. My other 416-8 is "K" powered. I know basically the K's and the M's are the same powerplant but I really really wanted a Magnum. This one came with a 42" SD deck, trailer hitch, tiller bracket, and lift system for a tiller or plow. There are 748 hours showing on a working hour meter. Also has a new battery. It starts right up and runs good hot or cold. I am feeling very good tonight about this purchase. The seat has seen much better days (but then again so have I). Next I bought a non running 1995 312 Hydro. Why its not running I could not tell you. Its all together except for the wiring harness. The wiring harness has been hacked on by someone who had no idea what they were doing. There are a little over 900 hours showing on the meter. I'm looking forward to seeing if the engine will run. I would not think there is a problem with the hydro as the only thing someone was working on was the wiring. I'll give an update on that one later. I know, I know you guys want pics. Well first I have to go back to the previous owner's house tomorrow and pick up the 312. Its bought and paid for but my trailer will only haul one at a time. I'll take some pics and post them first of the week. But for now this is what I have to report. I will be changing the engine oil in the 416 tomorrow. Getting rid of the whatever oil and giving it some good oid Lubrication Engineers 30w.

I hear you bro...my dishpan hands prove... the most I'm allowed to run around here is the dishwasher.

You got it all wrong Craig. I RUN THINGS AT THIS HOUSE...............The vacuum cleaner, the dishwasher, the washing machine.................

Stevasaurus, TerryM and DClark Terry and Denny Dave and Lane Dave SmokinJoe and his son and a 2 guests Joe, Denny, Terry, guest and Jason (blue shirt) Lane and Denny Joe, Terry and Jason Wingrider (Gary), Lane and Denny Gary, Lane talking with Martin, Dave checking out Martin's horses.

Mike its simple electric 101... You turn on the switch ,A spark ignites the grass & then you have lights.... ....

Everyone is aware of the bad rap Techys fuel delivery systems have... so, just wanted to give everybody a heads up to the brand new, $27 (gotta be)off shore manufactured carbs now being offered on Ebay. I took a chance, popped for one and I gotta say how great my little HH-60 is running now. These carbs are well made, and fully adjustable too, but no need, that thing purred like a kitten straight out of the box. Plus, they got them priced so cheap now...it's not even worth messing around rebuilding, then tuning one anymore. Seems there may be no excuse for a poorly running Techy with carb issues anymore.

Yes the new barn is finished. Should have built it bigger !!! LOL Mike I'm right there with you regarding Kohler Magnum powered anythings! OK, time for the latest report. Arrived at the sellers house to find he had the 312 sitting in the circle drive waiting on me to get there. We pushed it up on the trailer and away I went....... home, but not without stopping at the local Waffle House for some waffles, eggs, bacon, toast, grits (yes I said grits), and coffee. It takes alot of food to successfully transport Wheel Horses around North Carolina. By the time I got home it was already 94 degrees. I rolled the 312 in the shop. I'm waiting for a cooler day to work on it. Then I run the 416 until the engine was at operating tempreture, and drained out all the old engine oil. Now the Kohler Magnum is happy with almost 3 quarts of LE 30w in it. The PO had just changed the transmission oil. It is full right up to the mark, the shifter boot is intact so no need to do anything there. All the lights work including the tail lights. Checked the charging system. There is a strong 13.95vdc going to the battery. All good there too! Wish I could tell you I did all this great and wonderful stuff to the 312 but again, thats a cooler day project. Instead I had to get on the big red tractor and work a bunch of crushed stone into the new driveway I've built to now have a circle drive. That was just too much work to do with a Wheel Horse. I needed power steering and diesel power for that project. So anyway guys, that was my day. Starting another week of overtime tomorrow. Been working overtime all Summer. Thats why I have not been here very much since the big show. Oh yeah, almost forgot, yes I took some pics! I'll post them tomorrow.

Took a few pics walking around the show. Lots to see..

I am an optimist. I think the motor will be ok after I open it up. I have not tried to turn it yet have another project I am working on. Sometimes you get lucky and others you don't. Time will tell.

These are the only pics I took. Steve and Terry relaxing on Friday.

Nice to see the camera didn't break after the first pic!

everyone except me, Steve. i don't know what happened with taking pics yesterday, i just got talking and catching up with you guys, spent some time looking at the tractors and the day was done. i thought about it a couple times, but then got sidetracked and no pics. it was a very nice day yesterday, weather was great, rain held off and i think a good time was had by all. and Terrry M got to ride a big guys tractor........

okay little background first, all summer me and my son have been hearing all summer long that cub cadets are just better. We would just smile and say we have a thing for our horses plain and simple. Well the county fair always hold tractor pulls, so we thought well lets give it a shot. Me and my son went out grabed the b-80 threw some weight on her and met the neighbors at the fair for my boys first pull, well at the weigh in turned out I was about 100lbs shy and my tires well regular old ags, nothing special. The cub was up first and me n my boy watched her go we looked at each other and said "crap were in WAY over our heads" Next up was the boy , so I told him just give her all shes got and we shall see. That darned thing chugged down the tract as if out for a sunday drive, listning to the loud speaker we hear it WE beat the cub by 3 feet and place 3rd in his class at 165FT. My boys first trophy! We can now spend the rest of summer with our horses, not hearing about our belt drive "its been really quiet" I know this probably should be in pullers, but thought everyone would get a kick out of it "weve all had the cub horse debate" Thing is equal power, both twelves just us with a 100 less pounds , a LOT less money into it "nothing" and she brougt him home a trophy. I told my boy dont say anything to them about it just say good job, put the trophy up and we will let it go, enough has been said.

Bob, you see me? I'm the guy standing over in the office getting T-shirts and other stuff for my friends that couldn't make it. Yeah, yeah that's me standing looking at my cell to check the time. Yup, 11:20 I got plenty of time. Bah Humbug (just picking on Dino getting him pumped up for the Big Ten games starting two weeks from yesterday) Snapped before I got there. Next year I'm asking you for the correct picture time

Hey Craig, did you see that one down around the corner, sitting back in the trees waving at ya!

Congrats Van! I'd come crash your party and help you pick em up, but I got plans for tomorrow!

Crazy sometimes...how long and far you search for something, that was hiding right around the corner the whole time. I often wonder how many RJ's I'm driving by everyday. Can't wait to see your new 's Van.

Okay, let's give this a try. I will try to pick up the ball and get something going here. This is the best picture that I have. I have numbered everyone that has their face showing. Please help by letting me know who belongs to what number. I will start out with those I know. Click to enlarge the picture. 1. Vinylguy, (Terry); 1a. Nylyon (Karl); 2a. Buzz; 3a. Wheel Horse Story (Mike Martino); 2. Karl Lyon's son; 3. Karl Lyon's daughter; 4. BPJunk, (Wild Bill); 5. rmaynard, (Bob Maynard); 6. Jake Kuhn; 7. 51chevy (Chris Ulmer); 8. Jake's dad (Doug Kuhn); 9. Taycotrains; 10. ??; 11. Aldon; 11A. Hidden - OCTFST (Derek) is hidden behind #11.; 12. Big-Game (Ron Greco); 13. Squonk, (Mike Chase); 14. kthack657 (Karen); 15. Jimt1971 (Jim); 16. Butch; 17. ??; 18. bobert94; 19. jay in nc (Jay); 20. Neil; 21. Wheel-n-it (Van); 22. Travlindave (Dave Ralph); 23. AMC RULES (Craig); 24. cruisnblue48 (Dave Trump); 25. Suburban550 (Ray); 26. ??; 27. Docwheelhorse (Tony); 28. ??; 29. Twin54 (Mark); 30. Sparky (Mike Nelson); 31. Stratostar250 (Tom); 32. ??; 33. 55rj35jr (Mike Wall); 34. ??; 35. 857 Horse (Howard); 36. MJ (Mary Jane Davis); 37. Horsefixer (Bob "Duke" Davis); 38. Funengineer (Dave Burley); 39. Darren's son Bobby; 40. Darrenw85 (Darren); 41. Varosd (Don Varos); 42. Wallfish (John); 43. Zeek; 44. Lane Ranger - (Lane Ralph); 45. Ken B's son Cole; 46. rwilson (Rich); 47. ??; 48. woodchuckfarmer (Wayne); 49. clintonnut (Charlie); 50. Stevebo (Steve); 51. racinfool40 (Mike); 52. Larry Dexter; 53. buckrancher (Brian); 54. rj35hunter (Clay Brooks); 55. Scott's son Zach; 56. whfan74 (Scott); 57. Stevasaurus (Steve); 58. Tiffany Brooks These guys got there on time, but were left out of the group shot. I promised them i would get them in somehow.

Just keep the pressure washer away from the electrical system.

Roger that. John make it a new thread like "READY FOR SOME 2014 BIG TEN FOOTBALL" or sumptin like that, have Karl make it a sticky for us. AS long as you guys don't piss me off I'm in. Ya start acting like JIM D and I'm out!

I see some listed on Ebay as being sold directly coming out of China, selling for $26 now. Looks like the same carb I bought was sold by outdoorpowerdeals.com, I think I paid $28 and change, free shipping. The company is located in Kansas, United States, in the box contained a flyer stating... 100% satisfaction guaranteed, money back if not satisfied for any reason, worth the couple extra bucks to me. If you go to their sellers page, they have listed a bunch for other engines too, nicely priced as well.

but do you have 12 volts to the + side of the coil? this was one thing that Nick asked you earlier in post #6. might also help to ground the block with the neg battery cable so the ignition can complete its circuit.

Thanks Gary I'm sure that will come in handy.....Martin I'll start with the voltage reg and if that doesn't do it I guess its rebuild time. If thats the case I'll be asking for help I'm sure.

That lucky feline... It's hand washing in the sink only for me. The dish washer is off limits. Seems I used the wrong soap one time and filled the kitchen with suds. They never forget.

no, last one was an 8 speed. the 95 416 i got running before that was hydro but i just did a quick clean up on that one. i did have the 92 416H going at one stage with the Onan i used in the 8 speed build (OEM motor from the 8 speed) , but now its just a roller. i also had that one set up with the foot control. great set up. confused yet?

Therein lies my problem. I did not drill out the plastic. They other Horse I took the wheel off of did not have all that plastic. It was more Spartan with less gingerbread. No wonder the PB Blaster could not get down to do its deed. I will give it another go later. The pin came out cleanly and there is a clear hole all the way through the shaft. Can't see any other place for another pin to be. Thanks again my friend. Nick

I hate to say this but just changing parts is not the answer. If it were me I would hook all connecters and switches. Then I would start at the beginning and test every switch and wire in the starting circuit until I found the answer. I don't know what it would do to the circuit on the Onan engine but you can hotwire it just like the old car thieves did. Run a wire from the battery to the positive side of the coil and then crank the engine. Works on the Kohler engines in my Case 444. That will bypass all the safety switches. I am not telling you to try this. I do not know what it might do to the rest of the circuit. Maybe someone else will jump in and say something about it.

A Kohler sounds better?? Did you have ear muffs on? Nothing sounds better than an Onan when it's right. Of course I've only had two Onan 16's since I' ve always been partial to the 20"s.

This older Kohler service manual has a section on the mechanical regulators Garry

I agree with everyone, except I have the motor of the frame and am trying to get it running without al of the switches etc. I can get it to turn but zero spark. Two experts told me to replace the ignition rotor as they do go bad on that model. Since I replaced all the other parts this seems to be the only part not replaced, so I am going to do that while it is on the bench since it is so hard to get to. Once I do that I will update.

if i ever go blind, I'm going to get Jeanine to drive me around like that with 3 or 4 on the trailer. can change to another tractor when you get the urge.....

I do keep my eye on a bunch of 'em John... but, visible RJ's are getting few a far between these days.

I have been watching tape from last year. I have been talking to sources. I have been compiling info and digesting it like its a Thanksgiving dinner. I am ready for some Big TenFourteen football!

Initially, I didn't go for them either Ed... but they have a way of growing on you. My black hood has become one of my all time favorites now.

Pictures??? We all have pictures...got a feeling they will get posted Sunday. It was an excellent show with great weather.

I don't know about magic, but we are going to try and get you fixed up. I have some sheet metal if we need to patch that big hole in the bottom. A little plasma,lil bit of electricity and some finger crossing.....we should be good.

Better watch out cutting through Indiana though Geno. Got the Hoosiers watching out for Horse russlers. If we catch any we string um up by there hitches!!!

Looks like we got a border skirmish on our hands! Speaking of Tecky's, with the weather we have been having lately I've been thinking about firing up the 2 cycle snowblowers.

But there's nothing evil about this, just continue as you have. It's all good.

I bet you'll like this Kohler restoration smiley better.

Good news. I was able to get exactly what I needed and Baynsville Electronics right here in good old Baltimore. Uses .156 Molex pins and housings. $7.49.

You guys are terrible. When a person becomes addicted you are supposed to encourage them to stay them away from temptation. You remember the part that says "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."

Interesting thread Just watching, please continue.

TAKE PICTURES!!!

I gotta remember that, I'll have to clutch out more often

It is discouraging Mike...putting off the process because it's such the PITA, and having your tractor down the whole time. Then to get kicked in the when you reinstall it and it's still leaking. Plug and play, is the way to go.