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Norlett , dont wish to alarm you but i think you need to start your journey now if you are thinking of going to this show . this is the annual wheelhorse show in America not the show you are planning on going to which is in the South east UK .

BBQ paint is good, this is better.

its here

I'm bringing my B-100, Commando 8, 701, and some donuts.

A couple years ago myself and a few other techs were having a discussion about what those 'red flakes' left behind in the chamber of oil fired boilers was. #2 fuel oil as we know is dyed red. Speculation was that the red flakes were the remains of the dye. So an experiment was hatched. I took two glass jars and put a few spoonfuls of the flakes in each. One jar got a few ounces of K-1 Kerosene, the other got plain tap water. The red flakes immediately dissolved in the water! Turned it bright cherry red. The flakes did NOT dissolve in the K-1 to our surprise! It was obvious that the flakes were remains of the dye, but what was weird is that after being 'burnt' they would no longer dissolve in the fuel (K-1 is more or less the same basic structure as #2 F.O.) The dyes chemical structure had somehow been altered by the combustion. Also, BTW, these jars are still on the shelf in my shop and the flakes in water is a true solution. Sitting over 3 years and the water is still red. The K-1 has 'aged' to a light yellow, but the flakes are still sitting undissolved in the bottom of the jar.

I have to agree with you on this one SOI. I put Seafoam, according to instructions on the label, in all my vehicles and horses. I have not seen the gas degrade either...even after all winter. I had a full tank in my 1964 Ford for over a year (this past year) with out running...started it up and drove the gas out with no problems...no stale smell either.

This tractor belongs to my son Cole. It has an interesting past and its past is the main reason why my son wanted it. There was a thread A Tale of Two Horse's awhile back posted by Buckrancher. When my son read that thread and it told of this 854 being under 10 ft of water at Snyders fix it shop when the Susquehanna river rose 48 feet he was amazed. Cole commented that he would love to have this 854. It wasn't for sale though, yet anyways! Sometime later I heard it mentioned that it might be for sale at the 2012 Big Show. I told Cole and he said we could sell his go cart to get it! Well, the go cart got Cole about half the money. I didn't tell him about that little tid bit, (I covered the rest but I didn't tell him that.) Brian had to rebuild the motor (it was froze). Brian rebuilt the rear diff and anything else that needed it. It performs like a new tractor and everything works flawless. It is used to mow the lawn once a week and it gets cleaned after each use. I tried to use it this past fall to tow a small Wheel Horse cart filled with firewood but I got yelled at by Cole. He saw me thru his bedroom window and came running outside barefoot and told me to use one of my own tractors for hauling firewood!

OK. I'm in on this one, with my 1963 33E Lawn Ranger. It came out of a cornfield in Greencastle, Indiana. Rear-end completely locked up, motor frozen, and generally in very sad shape. I paid $40 for it, and wondered on the way home if that was too much. It was always going to get a Kohler, but other than that the restoration started off as being a return to factory condition: But then one day some inspiration hit me, and I just had to bastardize her:

One of my co-workers was cleaning out his shed and found this left over from a D-200 he used to own many years ago. He brought it in knowing I was into Wheel Horses and gave it to me. No publication dates or copyright info so I am guessing about 1978??

We are heading out early in the am to the Evansville, Indiana Southern Indiana Antique Machinery Show.

Wow, lots of recommendations. I think I'll throw my 2c in. Trickle charger and a splash of sea foam.

Well i'm an old fuddy-duddy, but when my onans wear out or quit, I will rebuild them. I like original. There will never be a Honda in my Wheel Horse or my 420 John Deere.

If it's a hot as last year, I'm, I mean we are all counting on it :ychain: :ychain:

Squonk...you are going to be there for the WHOLE show??? Dang...I need more Bears...Hawks...Sox shirts. I may have to change twice a day.

Both of my Grandparents were in WWii...not involved in the "D" Day invasion...Pacific theater. "D" Day was a huge turning point in the war...and the sacrifice speaks for itself. The British and the Americans became one that day. As if we were not always one.

I will be bringing an empty trailer.

That makes me Craig. So do they make NON Flame proof VHT Paint as well?.

Hello fellow wheel horsers, We are in the process of building stables (both animal and mechanical) at our home and I've been busy getting the site ready, after school tonight I had a helper ! I loaded and my daughter carted away loads of topsoil to an area we need to make up before seeding with grass. What a team.

Might be able to find the lower arms and hangers.....they are probably the only common part. The upper bell crank and bushings....top arms.....and top link cross member are all unique I'd imagine....

Off white/cream is the correct color.. Here in the states I use Rustolium Linen, but I have no clue what you have available over there. But the color was actually just how the rims came in from the supplier, hence the reason that most brands were the same color. It was only JD that painted them themselves that god awful yellow.

If you look at the muffler on the motor in my avatar it was painted with flat black BBQ paint a year and a half ago and it still looks good !! :handgestures-thumbupright:

Actually the modern high temp spray paints are a lot better then they used to be. I paint all of mine either silver or flat black with Duplicolor VHT high temp paint and they will last several seasons. But I usually sand blast them first

I will be taking an old Merc outboard engine and a 70's Homelite chainsaw for KenB. Keeping room for the raffle tractor and a black hood for a member in Wisconsin...and a few other goodies I am looking for. The toll ways are making it pretty expensive to haul a trailer through 4 states.

I WILL BRING MY 417-8-DIESEL WITH THE CRANE ON THE BACK.

You are right, In fact I don't think sliced bread even has it's own forum.

Karen and I have our Red Square hats, her GT-14 and 701. I am bringing my 701-8, Lawn Ranger 8 speed and a C-100 that will be for sale and that four wheel wagon always makes the trip to the show. Who knows what I will come home with. Jim

If your idler pulley is a v-shaped pulley it goes over. If it has a flat idler it goes under the idler.

Sounds like you have a valve problem. Look for the valve not seating and the valve seat loose. The seat may be down and look seated just fine so make sure you crank it over by hand so you can check it. Some of them will fool you when you first take a look at it. Others will be evident right away. What ever you do don't run it anymore so no more damage can occur.

Thank you. Added the 6300-2RS as a replacement for the 4567 in my list. Garry

Really interesting thread. Wish I had something interesting to add to it...other than distilling ethanol happends at 152 degrees F.

Here's what's been going on: New door on the poop truck. Folded the old one up into a suit case! lol Grafted in that fuel door, worked for a few hours on getting some oil canning out of the passenger rear lower panel which took 3 hours and then used body filler and the air board to get it all straight. Finished taking it down to bare metal, epoxy primed and sprayed with 6 coats of high build blocking primer. Need to block it, give a coat of epoxy then color. This bumper is from a 1981 ex-AF crew cab at a local yard. I like these because they flow with the body lines better...I tucked it in 2 inches to make it fit a little better. Need to grind the inside edge to flow with the bed corner a little better. Cut down an 8 ft bed mat and made some holes for the tie downs. Looks really clean! Got the P pump assembled and mounted! I named my truck TONKA tonight :alien: I have a legit side pipe on this truck. It runs just inside of the rocker panel. It is the only room I had since the frame was boxed. I may get some steam in the rain but whatever Made a fuel tank lid for the sending unit out of a piece of plastic: I took this picture before I added a return line dump elbow into it. Rebuilt starter. Solenoid contacts were burnt. Burned vs opposite side Old VS New Polished the spin rings on the alternator rotor. Need to buy brushes and bearings: Upper rad hose mounted: Tappet cover: Pump assembled: Typical beat up hands: I need these things to get it running and driving: Driveshaft $524 Turbo $100 Injectors $? Alternator rebuild $40 Pay paint bill $192 DOM tubing $? Problem is...I'm STRAIGHT UP OUT OF MONEY!!!! AHHHHHH I need like $1000 lolI guess I'll be mounting this sucker tomorrow!!!!! After 10 hours of blocking, 3 shots of high build and then a coat of epoxy primer to get a consistent base, I sprayed color and clear today. I left some fumes in the booth so any bugs would die if they somehow made it in. I had a pretty bad mosquito land in the paint and after pooling around with a razor blade, I got it and then misted some color to hide the damage. I also did an amateur move of letting my painting suit kiss the bed side but it wasn't bad. After 2 HEAVY coats of clear, I think it turned out nice. I need to wetsand and buff. Bugged up: Charlie

I'll bite Wheeledhorseman! I understand your skepticism but in regard to ethanol causing us carburetor troubles, I offer this: Ethanol, (ethyl alcohol), is much less volatile than gasoline. Gasoline evaporates in cold weather exponentially faster than ethanol. Regular unleaded no additives gasoline's flash point is minus 50 degrees F. Ethanol's flashpoint is 55.4 degrees F. If you leave gasoline in the bowl of your carburetor for even short lengths of time, the gasoline will evaporate faster leaving a larger concentration of alcohol. (Think of the carb sitting in your garage after mowing over the hot engine). Overtime, this alcohol WILL draw moistures which will corrode the surface treatments of the exposed metal, later the actual metals of the bowl as well as the exposed metals of the needle valves and floats. The moisture is miscible in the alcohol. The alcohol in small percentages is miscible in gasoline but water is not miscible in gasoline. When you get a little water in the carb, gasoline with ethanol "should" absorb the water making it soluble again but it won't solubilize the rust and dissolved metal coatings left in the bowl. And that is what many of us are seeing when we tear our carbs apart. It increased dramatically with the advent of ethanol laced gasoline. Many would benefit as you say by cleaning out their tanks, changing their fuel filters on a regular basis and replacing aging fuel lines but ethanol in gasoline is not a carbureted engines friend.

Lane The wife and i are leaving friday morning to evansville. Plan on taking 3 tractors still working on them though. Talked to ken (KC9KAS) he will be there sat. It's 3 plus hrs.away. Will look you up when we get there. Karl

I've got a SK486 I bought new. The SK-486 I bought new and it the same as a C160 except for the 1"axle/4pinion rear end. there is one for sale on craiglist here in central Ohio for 850 and it doesn't look to bad. here is a picture of mine unrestored. BOWTIE IN COLUMBUS

I use Sta-bil in the boat motor, and live in an area where we have had e-gas for over a decade. My observation is that fuel sitting in the lines causes them to degrade pretty quickly. The bits that degrade are the hoses and plastic check valves, not the metal fittings. Chuck, I think that you need to do a different experiment. After all, what we are trying to verify is the impact of fuel (stabilized) on the various parts of the fuel system, especially the non-metallic bits. You might divide this into two, to see if there are contaminants that develop or become part of the fuel independent of any degradation of parts, and water would be a component of that (similar issue to algae in the diesel) .

Newly restored 701 bought this over the winter just finished it up....

Here's my 854 this is the first tractor restore / rebuild I did this poor tractor had sat in a hedgerow for a long time when I found her after a complete tear down and rebuild last winter I built a stainless steel sickle bar mower for her Brian

For consideration I present to you my 1963 Model 653, that I purchased from the original owner back in the fall of 2011. Here's a short video called "Passing The Torch" I made the day I picked up the tractor from Bob...not everyday you get to take ownership of a piece of history originally purchased 48 years ago...so, I definitely wanted to honor the opportunity with more than just a picture. h Bob stated to me that he actually had this tractor listed multiple times on Ebay, but couldn't seem to find anyone who would commit to purchasing it once they found out it was a Tecumseh powered unit...I guess their loss is my gain, because it's been nothing but a great little performer for me. I mean look at this little guy...hard to believe it's half a century old this year...and still going strong. The first couple of detail picts are the day it arrived here at it's new home...the rest are different configurations I've had it in over the past year and a half since I've owned it. We've definitely had nothing but fun with this little for sure...still mowing, and showing with the best of 'em.

we did our first show of the year, and somehow I was fished into towing a 1946 Bristol crawler with my GT14... These things weight around a ton and a quarter, and this one wouldn't start, but we wanted it as part of the display. that rope was tight! I pretty well broke traction all the way down the field, just balancing the right load on the engine not to stall it or lose momentum. You can see the tracks I left in the field all the way down! I know the tranny is in good shape after a 15 minute pull

Beginning to get withdrawal symptoms with all this classic vehicle talk. I've got a Mini which I took off the road for the winter (SORN) rather than let it stand on the drive but of course now the MOT needs doing and I haven't had the time. My jeeps are OK on that count - no MOTs needed, and of course there's no road tax to pay as they're 'Historic' but again, haven't had the time to get any of them out for a run yet this year but the first Military show is looming so I'll have to check them over soon. So here they are Neil Yes, that's a big gun on the one in the middle - not your average 30 cal or 50 cal, its a 105mm recoilless anti-tank rifle! Andy

Well I was looking for a transaxle for a D200 that I have that is cracked (bolt in diff came out). I came across this find for a reasonable price and figured that would get me going and extra parts to boot. With the only problem being a shredded motor from the tractor being towed I may try to get it up and running as well : ) The tractor came with some good extras - front cast weights, pto shaft, three point and tire chains - cant beat that! The interesting thing was what was mounted on the rear fender. The PO inherited the tractor from his grandfather and he has fabbed up a "guide" to tell him the elevation of the 3 PT. As the lift is raised or lowered the aluminum indicator (with marks on it) will slide forward and backward. Take a look at the pics and tell me what you think. I know he had the rear lift pinned so he would have down pressure and this would indicate just how deep he was plowing, tilling, etc... I have never used a three point but I can see how it would be nice to lower the impliment down to the same height every time. Also note the aluminum fuel tank. I have never seen one like this so I guess it is a custom built tank. Builder did a pretty good job!

Heres all the parts need for the 3pt.

My intentions for this tractor are to fix the mechanical issues and missing parts. Eventually it might get painted. The engine parts I need won't be here for another week. Did a little bit of work on it today. It was missing the dash plate so I made one up. Made a pattern for it first. Went to the shed to fetch a piece of metal. I think it is around 20 gauge. Traced the pattern and rough cut it with the bandsaw. Pretty much ready to install. Switches I picked up today installed.

Here's a picture of the tractor all done. Also the fancy new tie rods and the front weight bracket (20 lbs of lead in it).