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Nice to hear you have a wonderful collection of rare and sought after wheelhorses. What I have learned on red square, is people don't look at someones tractor and judge the people by what they have done with it or how they have changed something on it. Everyone has to live within there means, I get just as much enjoyment looking at something someone has poured there heart into even if it is not the most good looking piece. Its about the effort. My opinion on redsquare is members try to help others by finding a spare part, or give some free advice on how to fix something. It sounds like to me your looking for a ata boy good job. Well here is one from me. Nice collection and glad you got them but I will go chit chat with some helpful caring redsquare members that cheer everyone on with their projects no matter how old, how young, or how wealthy or poor or how bad they spell. Hope you enjoy your collection, but such a wonderful collection of wheelhorses can be pretty lonely if you dont have any buddys to share them with. Happy collecting to you!!!!

When you make a statement like "What I'm trying to say is that the site needs to be more open and friendly to all wheel horses, people, and other brands" you obviously don't visit this site very much. With over 6450 members, I don't think you are going to find a forum that is more open and friendly than this one. If you don't like what you see here, you don't have to hang around.

Nice collection you have - very well done. My view is that everything is relative. Certainly the the C series and 300, 400 and 500 tractors are absolutely collectors items. They were the most prolific tractors Wheelhorse ever made and were then and now very usable - from mowing to plowing snow. Their quality and versatility and that they are no longer manufactured - while demand continues for them, IMHO makes them collector's items. But to me, the downside of collecting tractors, old cars, antiques, etc., is that while it can be most rewarding and fun, sometimes it deprives the owner freedom to "work" the machine for fear it will loose it's value, break, etc. This is where the later Wheelhorse models bring very nice benefits to the collector (in addition to other collectible garden tractor brands, i.e. Cub Cadet and Simplicity). There are so many of these tractors still around you can restore down to the nut and bolt - for show, or restore/preserve a "working" tractor or both. For me, I'm not really interested in a full-up restored Wheelhorse that forever remains in showroom condition. 9/10th of the fun for me is working these fine tractors. I like to think I'm in the middle. I want a clean Wheelhorse tractor, but also want it to be a working tractor. So in the end, what defines a collector's tractor is in the eye of the owner and those who would want to buy it. A lot of folks wouldn't give a dime for a lever steer Wheelhorse and others wouldn't give a dime for a C-series, 300, 400 or 500 series tractor and others would want both. No matter which Wheelhorse you own - it's all good! Bill

I have been on many many sites i have owned and own all kinds of tractors but my favorite is older wheel horses this site helps alot some times you can't keep every thing even though it would be nice. also many sites cost money to even ask a question or become a member. so my opinion this site on a scale from 1to10 would be a 10 hands down but Im a wheel horse nut.

Here are some other pict of my Suburban 551. Thanks

Running dual tires on the rear will stabilize the tractor a great deal. Also, make sure to have the bucket as low as you can when driving it.

I'll go back to what I said before. It's an interesting tractor, but in that original post there was no story behind it. If you want to generate interest in your post (here or anywhere for that matter) you've got to put in some more detail. Tell the story behind it, give the information that you know. Where did you pick it up from, how long did it take to restore, have you researched anything on this? While I agree with you that there are groups here who are tight knit, I also think that it's a welcoming group. While you obviously have a nice collection, it doesn't speak for itself, you need to do that. Since you have some rare ones, why not make an informative post on what they are all about? Not only would it get you more recognition, but also educate everyone on some of the lesser known models. Just my 2 cents worth. And you and your brother are more than welcome here, and this is an interesting post.

A hobby is for one's own satisfaction and enjoyment. If you need accolades you're doing it for the wrong reason!

I only have 2 Horses and 1 Economy. All get used and shown. A roundhood like I had as a kid that is the back-up mower, pulls the sweeper year round and is fittted with a back blade for winter sidewalk duty and also has a front blade if needed. A C-160 which is the tractor I always wanted as a kid. It's the main mower and snow mover. The Power King with the loader because it's a loader and it's going to be my plow day tractor. I have no room for more nor do I wish to hoard and stack them to the sky to see how many I can collect until they are all gone. I had an RJ but I didn't fit on them to well and if I can't drive them around I don't want them. I did have a Cub Original that was the best "Driving" tractor I ever sat on but sold it to help pay for next year's travel expenses to the big show. I like all tractors. Some are just more appealing to me than others. Everyone's the same. Something neat and cool to 1 person may be average and plain to someone else

So here's the thing. There's a lot more of the newer tractors so YES there's going to be more posts on that BUT the forum can't gain more recognition on the older machines if those who own them don't publicize them. For every 1 lever steer, there's got to be thousands of 300/400 series and the same for members right? While I don't want to sound harsh, we have a picture gallery on here with a special section just for Pond's. There are only a handful of pictures in there and none for over a year! I don't understand the argument that RedSquare caters to newer models, when those who own the older ones aren't contributing their information. The manuals section is the same thing. We need members like you to build these areas instead of posting once, getting discouraged and going away. That's not how to share information, and honestly there are very few who own these so it's really up to YOU and those who own them to do something about it. I can not, I don't have one and haven't seen one in person either. I do have some newer ones and those I can and do post about. For me, you're not making me mad, just confused. Share what you have! Knowledge base can't happen without it that's how it works.

As an avid collector of wheelhorses, I love my wheel horses, but I cant exactly afford some of the older tractors, or those I could afford would be so far gone they are not worth my time. The hobbie is something I enjoy, and I look forward to talking to the people that I have met on the website and have helped me. And if you do not think that older tractors do not get attention, look up Fireman and when he got his senior. Remember not everyone has deep pockets and can afford the tractors that you are talking about.

I have never heard of a true collector cutting up tractors to make room.

Maybe you should start your own site if this one is plainly boreing. just my two cents

Right now it is Sunday November 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM...right now the answer is 4886. :) Ed, I can't tell ya yet, but the answer is on this site. :orcs-cheers:

Actually, if the weight is added inside the wheel rim and is added exactly at the center of gravity (CG) then there will be no added force to the wheel bearings. However, it is very difficult to add weight exactly at the CG, so some if the weight is then addplied across a distance from the center of gravity and this weight implies a force X distance from the CG to the hub bearings. Think of adding the weight outboard of the wheel rim by a great distance of 5 feet, this will place a force on the wheel bearing that could tip over the tractor if it were like 100 lbs force X distance of 5 feet =500lb-ft of torque across the hub bearing. Gary

Hey Duke you need to slap a plow on her. I have a plow on C-81 plus the 2 stage on the 520. I think I use the plow more because we don't seem to get the big snows anymore. Seems like of all the big horse's around here I seem to end up using tha 8hp the most. You could use the plow to get the snow down the drive for the finale big blow by the chucker to put it out of the way. Just a thought.

:text-welcomeconfetti: just in case we forgot! at the big WH show , here in PA, I meet a lot of great folks. Some like the old, some like new the rigs. but we all like the Wheel Horses! :D

Not everyone can relate to the older tractors, for the most part, most guys won't get the chance to own what you have. How did you manage to amass such a collection at such a young age? Like the guys on American Pickers say, ITS ALL ABOUT THE STORY. I can find pictures all over the web of old tractors to look at if I want to. With no story attached to them at the end of the day they are just pictures of nice tractors. Me, I like them all.

I know you've been liked by me, I'm in your friend list...and I don't even know your name. I know you're a tractor nut like me...so, that's all that matters.

Here's a pic from a "300" Series. :hide:

I would guess that maybe 10% of members here are actual collectors so not too many people have experience with the rare ones. Many more people own a 300 series or a C series type tractor so they can relate to it more, thus answer and/or ask more questions about it. Also certain or longtime members know more members here that they have dealt with or are friendly with and a bunch of them will respond to each other's posts. I would bet at any tractor show they will walk right by the newer stuff to check out your very nice collection! Just a guess but that's the way I see it There's no rhyme, reason or conspiracy here $0,02

1997 314H with 1997 snow blower

This was forwarded to me in an email today FWIW thought I would share. For those of you who actually try to repair some older and rusted equipment, the following just might help you out. Worth the short read. Penetrating Oils Machinist’s Workshop Mag™ recently published some information on various penetrating oils that I found very interesting. Some of you might appreciate this. The magazine reports they tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. They are below, as forwarded by an ex-student and professional machinist. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a “scientifically rusted†environment. Penetrating Oils ........... Average torque load to loosen* No Oil used .................... 516 pounds WD-40 ....................... ... 238 pounds PB Blaster ..................... 214 pounds Liquid Wrench .................127 pounds Kano Kroil ...................... 106 pounds ATF & Acetone Mix............53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix is a “home brew†mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note this “home brew†released bolts better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Our local machinist group mixed up a batch and we all now use it with equally good results. Note also that “Liquid Wrench†is almost as good as “Kroil†for about 20% of the price. Steve from Godwin-Singer says that ATF & Acetone mix is best, but you can also use ATF and lacquer thinner in a 50-50 mix.

Well I met Ken about a week ago as you guys know if you saw his Just In thread and did some trading. He got a nice But I was not able to take pictures as I had to go to school and the tractor sat in the back of my truck for a week! So here she is! I went to try and start her last night and she did not want to turn over. And the brake/clutch pedal was stuck. So I pulled off the side cover and hydro cam cover. She needs a new brake spring. Once I figured out that the pedal was hung up on the neutral safety switch so it would not turn over, nor roll! She runs very smooth! She does need somethings such as new engine cradle bushings, a brake spring, an idler pulley, an idler pulley spring, a new drive belt, and new steering gear as it is cracked. But that is all okay as she has a new starter, carburetor, fuel pump, coil, points, and condenser. Ken got her a little over a month ago from the original owner, and because he only had her for about a month, he says that does not constitute it having 2 owners . Also those are the front wheel weights that I got for $30, Thanks to Sparky in CT for picking them up for me! -Charles

Grandson misses "his" Commando 800 and now, can't make up his mind! He wants the "fleet."

Most probably another one of them Kohler lovin' squirrels, that done it in.

Exactly! Need a herd, for friendship, play, work! How do we explain this "need" to the Mrs.?

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya :D

I like just about any GT, and especially the WH's because that is what I have. I look at all of them....some quickly, some nice and slow so I can study what it is. I think the older ones (like you have) are very nice, but I do not see many of them because they are so rare, and I certainly couldn't afford one of these really rare Wheel Horse tractors, but I like them just the same. I don't know anything about them, so I couldn't answer a question about them. I have asked many questions here, and I have answered some questions for others. You have to ask questions with very good details and be patient for someone with the knowledge to properly answer your question. Everyone on Redsquare has the same basic interest....Garden Tractors....specifically Wheel Horse garden tractors. Each one of us here is very different in what we can affort to buy, or restore, and if we buy for "Show" or as a "Worker". I like seeing nice clean operational tractors that are happy at a show or mowing the lawn. I'm not sure who or what caused the burr under your saddle, but everyone that I have had contact with on Red Square has been friendly and helpful. Just saying................

Tractornut guys.....I like to look at the historical tractors and equipment from the past but my attention gravitates to the repair type posts that I can learn from, use on my equipment or, on rare occasions, add some mediocre input to the post myself..... Apologies.......

Did better than you do climbing trees!!! Looks like we're back in the thick of the BCS Championship....thank you Baylor and Stanford!!!

WOW, excellent find!!!

But seriously,I saw the pic of your lever steer in your other post and you are fortunate to own one. They sure don't grow on trees like "300"s so to see one at a show would be neat. I wouldn't know what one was if it wasn't for collectors like yourself who can find and restore them.Don't get discouraged and stop sharing your collection and frankly,I'd like to see more of the rare ones. It's really interesting to me to see the progression through the series of horses as improvements or needs were met in the designs.

Scott, Bob...where are your picks this week??? Hope everything is OK with you guys. Goodnight ScottBob, Goodnight JohnBoy, Goodnight JoeBob, Goodnight MaryElen, Good night BK, Goodnight SteveBo, Goodnight JimmyJohn, Goodnight Grandpa, Goodnight Moon :)

Can't do any worse than Campbell. :rolleyes:

Don't let that ol' apple juice do a number on you Duke... remember, we don't heal as fast as them 30 year old guys anymore. :auto-ambulance: :auto-ambulance:

70 RAIDER shots

Exactly what I said. When you add weight to the tractor you increase the down force. But i stand behind my statement that nothing is pushing up. Pushing down harder on something will stress the opposing force's top side, but that's not pushing up. Sent from my Galaxy Tab using Tapatalk 2

Here are a couple of my 417A

For your consideration are some pics of my 1977 B-100.

Here is some more pictures for consideration........ "Lady Ranger" 1968 Commando 8 1045 and 4 Wheeled Wagon

1997 516 (Custom) with 1997 2 Stage Snowblower

Here's a few of my favorites! KJ

Here are a couple of shots of the 401. Thanks, Jake

here is the suburban

It's a 1962 552, but the pics are cool Gotta get rid of that muffler though . . .

Attention RS members!!! With the good graces of Justin and Karl I will be offering a Professionally made calendar directly off of Justin's file. I gave away a few of these last year as Christmas gifts and I got very positive responses. I will be offering them for my cost plus $6.00 U.S. shipping and $17 International. I don't have the exact cost yet it depends on how many I need. It looks like it will be $15-$20 each + ship. You can P.M me to order one. I'll take Pay Pal (please use the gift option) or check. Cutoff will be Dec. 1st. I sure a few of last year's recipients will chime in on how nice they turned out. Thanks, Mike Not the best pics but Here's the present calendar.:

Martin, that is the bulletin I was thinking of. See the recent thread on hydro gear springs (link below). Sounds like the springs can break . There are springs in the check valves and acceleration valves that can go bad. I have a 1975 C-160 that is very weak in reverse. The sundstrand manual points to the reverse check valve but I have not taken it out to look at it it yet. I did get a 3/8s drag link bit so that I can remove the valve for inspection. If the acceleration valves are not working properly that could explain what you are experiencing.

There externally is two pumps, the first is for the add on HY kits, note how the valve sticks out and the handle screws in to it. This pump is from a 953 or 1054, note how the valve is flush with the pump face, the handle is made of flat stock and bolts on withe two screws, no handle on this pump. Both pumps will work, but to be correct you need the round screw in handle, also be sure the return spring is good, you should be able to pull the handle foward or back and it will self center, if not it will have to come apart and a spring put in it, there is two style springs, you have to open it to be sure what one you have.