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I'm frugal (some say cheap...) and I hate buying batteries to replace batteries I bought!  I'm not sure I'm right but it looks like I might be, cheap batteries aren't cheap if you have to buy two to last as long as a better battery that lasts twice as long and gets the job done when it's brutal cold.  A few years ago I started buying the biggest physical size and largest amp capacity available.  Happier now.  Pretty sure I'm done buying the cheapest battery!  Not sure I'm going to be buying the most expensive either, but I'll be looking into it.

 

Now, which brand?  I'm beginning to think that TSC is not the best...

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I have 3  three yr. old battires still going. All from TSC. A large amount of batteries are all made by the same company. 

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Hello,

If I may resurrect this thread, I have 2 C160’s that need batteries.

One C160 is a true survivor that my dad bought new in 1976 from Killian’s Hardware. It has always been stored inside, is 100%

complete with all correct parts .

The other (year unknown) I just bought, and is exactly the opposite, appears to have been always

stored outside and cobbled up.

Anyway both are missing the batteries.

The online Walmart battery finder list a MAXX-51R for C Series, but finder does not calculate year or list it as  N/A

Dimensions are: 9 3/8" x 5 1/16" x 8 3/4".

I did not realize that the trays could be different and I will measure both of mine tonight.

Anyone familiar with a group 51R ?

Thanks

Johnny Walker

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The group 51 size is fairly common and compact - the nice part is they are available in the automotive range and have far more reserve capacity versus lawn and garden batteries . I just ordered a group 47 which is almost the same size but slightly shorter to fit into the D's dash box and not interfere with the throttle nor hydro controls . Both those sizes are available in Active Glass Matt (agm) designs as well - which is a good idea when it comes to these tractors due to the vibration . A single or even twin cylinder Kohler will subject those batteries to far more vibration than anything else out there - it's why the flooded lead acid types don't last very long and their quality has really gone downhill .

I'd try to stick with East Penn made batteries and avoid Johnson Controls - I've seen far too many failures from them in the last few years as they cheapen their materials used . For the smaller size trays like the C and 60's era tractors you might want to look at the agm Mazda Miata battery from Deka - almost the same size as the U1 lawn and garden battery , 3yr warranty and far more reserve with better CCA specs .

 

http://battery.partners/east-penn-products

 

Here is the Deka parts catalog - they actually have honest Wheel Horse Products listings to fit most models . A '75 C-160 calls for this one - look under the lawn and garden tab/wheel horse

http://www.dekacatalog.com/

flooded lead acid version (non-agm) -

http://www.labatteries.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1006

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/super-start-premium-4988/battery-accessories-16452/battery---automotive-16864/battery-12836/battery/5172/4742374

 

As I said , there is an agm in those same dimensions available as the Intimidator/Deka/Marathon and other brand labels - even O' Reilly auto parts . The trick is knowing the group size and having the dimensions for comparison . I'm tired of buying flooded lead acid batteries that fail in a short time - the U1 are the worst offenders of that category . In a 3yr period - you'd buy several compared to one agm that will probably last 5-6yrs given a proper charging system . Make absolutely certain your rectifier/regulator or generator's regulator is holding between 13.8-14.2v - if they are not grounded correctly it's common for them to run a much higher charging voltage - that will destroy any battery .

 

Btw - for the U1 sized battery trays - here's the Mazda application agm from Deka -

https://www.amazon.com/MAZDA-Battery-East-Penn-8AMU1R/dp/B000CGFGLA

 

Hope this helps -

 

Sarge

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Sarge said:

The group 51 size is fairly common and compact - the nice part is they are available in the automotive range and have far more reserve capacity versus lawn and garden batteries . I just ordered a group 47 which is almost the same size but slightly shorter to fit into the D's dash box and not interfere with the throttle nor hydro controls . Both those sizes are available in Active Glass Matt (agm) designs as well - which is a good idea when it comes to these tractors due to the vibration . A single or even twin cylinder Kohler will subject those batteries to far more vibration than anything else out there - it's why the flooded lead acid types don't last very long and their quality has really gone downhill .

I'd try to stick with East Penn made batteries and avoid Johnson Controls - I've seen far too many failures from them in the last few years as they cheapen their materials used . For the smaller size trays like the C and 60's era tractors you might want to look at the agm Mazda Miata battery from Deka - almost the same size as the U1 lawn and garden battery , 3yr warranty and far more reserve with better CCA specs .

 

http://battery.partners/east-penn-products

 

Here is the Deka parts catalog - they actually have honest Wheel Horse Products listings to fit most models . A '75 C-160 calls for this one - look under the lawn and garden tab/wheel horse

http://www.dekacatalog.com/

flooded lead acid version (non-agm) -

http://www.labatteries.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1006

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/super-start-premium-4988/battery-accessories-16452/battery---automotive-16864/battery-12836/battery/5172/4742374

 

As I said , there is an agm in those same dimensions available as the Intimidator/Deka/Marathon and other brand labels - even O' Reilly auto parts . The trick is knowing the group size and having the dimensions for comparison . I'm tired of buying flooded lead acid batteries that fail in a short time - the U1 are the worst offenders of that category . In a 3yr period - you'd buy several compared to one agm that will probably last 5-6yrs given a proper charging system . Make absolutely certain your rectifier/regulator or generator's regulator is holding between 13.8-14.2v - if they are not grounded correctly it's common for them to run a much higher charging voltage - that will destroy any battery .

 

Btw - for the U1 sized battery trays - here's the Mazda application agm from Deka -

https://www.amazon.com/MAZDA-Battery-East-Penn-8AMU1R/dp/B000CGFGLA

 

Hope this helps -

 

Sarge

 

 

 

Thank you very much!

Johnny Walker

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Not a problem . If you decide to go the route of the AGM style batteries it takes some work to figure out which ones are truly agm and not gel or maintenance-free flooded acid types . Price is not always the indicator as the agm's are generally more expensive for the given group size . Every one that carries East Penn built batteries can have their own distributor label and different tier levels for their product line . In O' Reilly's case - their Platinum line is the top line AGM from East Penn . They use a much higher purity lead plates and their absorbed glass mats are a higher quality than most - and they are made in the USA . Their heavier duty flooded lead acid types are more robust than most - but vibration will still eventually damage those , so don't expect a very long lifespan but it does depend on how they are mounted and how badly the engine beats them up . The agm design solves that issue with the glass mats and they don't boil out their water over time , you just have to factor the cost vs lifespan .

 

Sarge

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