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#1 ONLINE   AMC RULES

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:53 PM

I'm wondering, is there any way to test these things to see if they're pumping enough fuel for the engine to fire? I opened it up and the rubber gaskets looked OK, but how do I confirm this is a good pump?

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:24 PM

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:28 PM

I don't know how to test them but, If you look on ebay under fuel pump K1 pump you can get rebuild kits at a good good price. I know that the rubber gaskets inside can look good but be just a little out of shape and they will not work very well if at all. I think it is bad for them to dry out after they have been in use.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 08:54 PM

The only way that I could think of to check one is with a simulated pulse and check the flow rate and pressure. Way too much trouble. I know that over time, the internals get stiff from the gas additives.

I ditched mine and went with an electric fuel pump and never looked back. It was more than worth the effort.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:24 PM

There is a filter screen in the tank on the fuel shut off that could clog. The gas we have now has cause fuel lines to deteriate. Just saying there could be other problems.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 08:50 PM

I've since got it running...but only with priming the carb first with a shot of starting fluid.
Pretty much convinced that this fuel pump needs a rebuild.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

Here's a pic of the fuel pump that I installed today.


Electric Fuel Pump


I will probably not have to worry about it for the next decade or so.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:58 PM

This tractor is a '63 model. I'm not sure the precise year this fuel pump was installed...
but I'm hoping after this $10 rebuild, it should be good for another three or four decades too.
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USMA @ West Point, New York.
2-1958 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1267
2-1959 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1277 ARC FEL 

2-1961 401                   1967 877     

1962 702                       1968 Commando-8

1962 702 HY-2             1983 C-175

1963 653                       1984 GT-1800          

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:16 AM

Keeping it original for $10....priceless. :handgestures-thumbupright:

(Although..I do like the electric jobber.) :hide:

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:09 PM

to check the one thats on there all you should have to do is remove it from the carb hook the other lines back up and
crank the motor over and see if the pump spits fuel out

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#11 ONLINE   AMC RULES

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:40 PM

Did that Brian. The pump is moving the fuel, but it's more like a dribble than a spit.
It had me second guessing myself because fuel is making it into the bowl on the carb, just not through the carb.
Like I said, once the carb was primed with a shot of carb cleaner, it does run...so I'm thinking it's time for a pump rebuild now.

          Craig Alan
USMA @ West Point, New York.
2-1958 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1267
2-1959 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1277 ARC FEL 

2-1961 401                   1967 877     

1962 702                       1968 Commando-8

1962 702 HY-2             1983 C-175

1963 653                       1984 GT-1800          

                                        1984 GT-1600

                                        1988 520-H

 

 

  

 

                       

 

 

 

 

         


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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:25 PM

Would a fuel pump like that work on my h60? If so what are the benefits of a pump vs gravity feed?

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:45 PM

You can go up hills.
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          Craig Alan
USMA @ West Point, New York.
2-1958 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1267
2-1959 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1277 ARC FEL 

2-1961 401                   1967 877     

1962 702                       1968 Commando-8

1962 702 HY-2             1983 C-175

1963 653                       1984 GT-1800          

                                        1984 GT-1600

                                        1988 520-H

 

 

  

 

                       

 

 

 

 

         


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Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:36 PM

Nice what model fuel pump is that?

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 08:08 PM

Nice what model fuel pump is that?


Which pump? The impulse pump I believe is a Mikuni. The electric is a Purolator.
Here's some good info on fuel pumps. It starts about half way down:
http://gardentractor...om/carbfuel.htm
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Posted 16 June 2012 - 09:37 PM

Did that Brian. The pump is moving the fuel, but it's more like a dribble than a spit.
It had me second guessing myself because fuel is making it into the bowl on the carb, just not through the carb.
Like I said, once the carb was primed with a shot of carb cleaner, it does run...so I'm thinking it's time for a pump rebuild now.


sounds like its not working right I would think it should spit fuel out a few inches i know the kohler style pulse pump does

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 02:37 AM

Craig,
Where are you picking up the pulse?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:27 AM

After the fuel leaves the pump itself, directly from the brass fitting that screws into the carb...is there some other place to check it Callen? :scratchead:

In the pictue I posted, I see there is a slotted screw located middle, right side of the pump, different from the cap screws the hold the two halfs of the unit together. Wondering if anyone knows if it might control the volume this thing puts out?
To date, I haven't been able to find any literature/manual for it...it's manufactured by Walbro, and stamped with Autopulse on the side. I asked a few people at the show, nobody's seen one before...or knew anything about it.
Any ideas?

          Craig Alan
USMA @ West Point, New York.
2-1958 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1267
2-1959 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1277 ARC FEL 

2-1961 401                   1967 877     

1962 702                       1968 Commando-8

1962 702 HY-2             1983 C-175

1963 653                       1984 GT-1800          

                                        1984 GT-1600

                                        1988 520-H

 

 

  

 

                       

 

 

 

 

         


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 02:00 PM

Craig,
I see the hose from the tank and the pump is hooked directly to the carb. Where do you have the other line hooked to?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

It's plumbed like this Callen.
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2-1958 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1267
2-1959 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1277 ARC FEL 

2-1961 401                   1967 877     

1962 702                       1968 Commando-8

1962 702 HY-2             1983 C-175

1963 653                       1984 GT-1800          

                                        1984 GT-1600

                                        1988 520-H

 

 

  

 

                       

 

 

 

 

         


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 03:11 PM

How is that tube from the crank case bolted in?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 03:23 PM

It's connected with a hose clamp to a brass ninety degree elbow fitting that's screwed into the block.

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2-1958 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1267
2-1959 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1277 ARC FEL 

2-1961 401                   1967 877     

1962 702                       1968 Commando-8

1962 702 HY-2             1983 C-175

1963 653                       1984 GT-1800          

                                        1984 GT-1600

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 03:27 PM

Ok now my engine doesnt have that hole in the block, would i be able to drill and tap a hole so i can install my fuel pump?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 05:28 PM

I see it now. That should be getting good pulse. Are the ports marked?

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 05:43 PM

Not that I'm aware of, but I'll have to double check.

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2-1958 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1267
2-1959 Ride-Away Jr. 1967 1277 ARC FEL 

2-1961 401                   1967 877     

1962 702                       1968 Commando-8

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1963 653                       1984 GT-1800          

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