tom2p 2,393 #26 Posted August 28, 2020 4 hours ago, WHX24 said: Tried that too Bob mine was just too stiff, brittle and dried out for further service. sometimes petroleum jelly - vaseline or similar - will work on brittle rubber etc but when they are at a certain point probably nothing will work ... need to be replaced 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHunter 1,651 #27 Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, tom2p said: music to my ears ! the Kohler in our 704 was similar - the pullstart barely engaged but just a small amount was enough and it would fire immediately ran like this for over 20+ years - just a few spark plug changes ... never touched the points I was shocked how good it runs. I just bought it non running the other day and took a chance that the motor is ok. The entire carb and fuel pump were filled with old gas slime. I cleaned everything and cleaned the points. it fired right up. I love these old Kohlers. Today I changed the transmission filter and fluid. The hydro works good too. Tomorrow will be the test drive. After that, the full restoration will begin. I’m glad you like the video. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 46,633 #28 Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BHunter said: how good it runs. Excellent Bob Buckrancher got ahold of me and does have those diaphragms if you need . Thanks again EB Edited August 28, 2020 by WHX24 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHunter 1,651 #29 Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, WHX24 said: Excellent Bob Buckrancher got ahold of me and does have those diaphragms if you need . Thanks again EB Thank you. I would like to get one for a backup. i want to keep it original as possible. I messaged Buckrancher but he hasn’t read the email yet. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 62,888 #30 Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, BHunter said: Thank you. I would like to get one for a backup. i want to keep it original as possible. I messaged Buckrancher but he hasn’t read the email yet. Be patient with him Bob. They have been spending more time at the cottage I understand so it may take a bit for him to respond. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHunter 1,651 #31 Posted August 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Be patient with him Bob. They have been spending more time at the cottage I understand so it may take a bit for him to respond. Hi Eric. I understand. I wish I had a cottage to escape to. I’d be there right now too. I appreciate you reaching out to him and trying to help us out. thanks, Bob 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 62,888 #32 Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, BHunter said: I wish I had a cottage to escape to. ******. I appreciate you reaching out to him and trying to help us out. thanks, Bob .......and people we know wonder why we live where we do. Stuck in the woods in the peace and quiet. Not quite a cottage but it'll do. Glad to help. Anytime. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHunter 1,651 #33 Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 3:38 PM, WHX24 said: Good Luck Bob, I'm in the same boat with a 161. Fellas told me to get ahold of @buckrancher as he has some. PMed him a week ago but no response yet. Worse comes to worse may try procuring some diaphragm material and making my own. Even bought cheapy kits for the cam lever ones off fleabay to rebuild a couple of those and still no luck getting a working pump. Guessing you got the cock open and it's not plugged in the tank? It was running good for a while but now the carb started surging and it died. There is oil in my fuel filter. I wonder if it is doing through the diaphragm and mixing with the gas. I thought my rubber fuel lines were breaking deteriorating and causing the black color. I replaced the lines and it’s still black. Is it possible for oil to travel back to the fuel filter? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 46,633 #34 Posted August 30, 2020 Probably leaking back thru a ruptured diaphram. Mine were so old and brittle wouldn't have take much to rip them. Gotta remember the topside the diaphragm sees crank oil. Pattienltly awaiting Buckranchers reply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHunter 1,651 #35 Posted August 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, WHX24 said: Probably leaking back thru a ruptured diaphram. Mine were so old and brittle wouldn't have take much to rip them. Gotta remember the topside the diaphragm sees crank oil. Pattienltly awaiting Buckranchers reply. I bet you’re right. I’m glad it lasted as long as it did so I could find out if the trans worked. Now I can tear it down to the frame and have it sand blasted. I’m hoping we can get the diaphragms. I like keeping them original. It pumps a good amount of fuel out when it’s working right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHunter 1,651 #36 Posted September 6, 2020 I received the diaphragm from @buckrancher and Rebuilt the fuel pump today. It works great. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elliot Garfinkel 166 #37 Posted October 2, 2020 Hi I find myself in the same fuel pump situation I sent a message to @buckrancher hopefully the diaphragm is still available but I was wondering how you disassembled the valves in the pump any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jennifer 1,872 #38 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) This is a mechanical fuel pump and it has a different diaphragm but the other mechanisms would at least give you an idea how it goes together! Hope it helps! Edited October 2, 2020 by Jennifer 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elliot Garfinkel 166 #39 Posted October 4, 2020 Hi all so I ordered a kit from now and then but not sure it will work except for the diaphragm my pump doesn't have valve plate so not sure if rebuild able by me at least.this was after last season running for 2 hrs then system drained and ran dry did motor and tried starting this season.Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 62,888 #40 Posted October 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Elliot Garfinkel said: Hi all so I ordered a kit from now and then but not sure it will work except for the diaphragm my pump doesn't have valve plate so not sure if rebuild able by me at least.this was after last season running for 2 hrs then system drained and ran dry did motor and tried starting this season.Thanks Did the kit come with a correct diaphragm? Maybe a clean and reuse in the rest of it. All that slime is the result of previous ethanol usage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elliot Garfinkel 166 #41 Posted October 4, 2020 I just ordered kit yesterday looks like right diaphragm I might call them and see if they didnt ship yet maybe send the pump to them put kit money to rebuild.As far as the ethanol I've been try to remove most of it by adding water to gas ,ethanol separates and drain somewhat ethanol less gas.(via utube)Although I noticed a good amount of rust in pump maybe from water in the stained gas.All new lines,filter And tank thoroughly cleaned,Thanks for quick response 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 62,888 #42 Posted October 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Elliot Garfinkel said: I just ordered kit yesterday looks like right diaphragm I might call them and see if they didnt ship yet maybe send the pump to them put kit money to rebuild.As far as the ethanol I've been try to remove most of it by adding water to gas ,ethanol separates and drain somewhat ethanol less gas.(via utube)Although I noticed a good amount of rust in pump maybe from water in the stained gas.All new lines,filter And tank thoroughly cleaned,Thanks for quick response You're certainly doing the right thing trying to remove the ethanol. Not sure if there an issue with rust as I've never tried it. Perhaps others will chime in to comment on the rebuild. @Achto @WHX24 @953 nut 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 46,633 #43 Posted October 4, 2020 That is a pump I have not seen before. What tractor/motor is it off of? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elliot Garfinkel 166 #44 Posted October 4, 2020 It is off of k161s from my 702 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 62,888 #45 Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Elliot Garfinkel said: It is off of k161s from my 702 I haven't looked at the parts from then and now for awhile. Seems they sell a rebuild kit for a pump with a lever. Yours may only require a diaphragm from @buckrancher Brian and a good cleaning. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elliot Garfinkel 166 #46 Posted October 4, 2020 That would be to easy it would be very rare that I would get off easy but you never know I'm going to call now and then and see what they think 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 46,633 #47 Posted October 4, 2020 Couple more pics of the rest of the body please Elliot. Does it have a lever? I'm thinking a PO changed it at some time. Yours should look like Bob's BHunter above. His is a eight horse but should be the same. I have no idea how to get those valves out but they should come out somehow. Maybe you shouldn't try but just try and clean in place and flush good with a can of brake cleaner. The white gunk is oxidation from water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elliot Garfinkel 166 #48 Posted October 5, 2020 Thanks for the response it doesn't have a lever I'm pretty sure it's an original kohler part here is some more pics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elliot Garfinkel 166 #49 Posted October 15, 2020 Hi all so I just got my pump back from now and then complete rebuild it was only a couple of dollars more than kit plus shipping fee 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 62,888 #50 Posted October 15, 2020 That thing looks fantastic. I didn't know they did the rebuilds themselves as well as selling parts. Something to remember there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
