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 I see a lot of nice machines posted in this here forum. My issue is finding parts for my six speed transmission. I have a 1267 Wheel Horse that I am doing a full ground up restoration on. Thanks to this forum and many responders I have found decals, tires, and what color paints. I have not taken the trans apart yet and my just flush it and see what comes out. As far as I know it shifts and works in all gear and high low is working. Thank you all for being here..
 
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   bob's toy= 1967 1267 six speed

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stevasaurus

Here to help you with your transmission.  It should be (if original) a #5060 10 pinion limited slip differential transmission.  What do you think is wrong with your trans??  What parts do you think you might be looking for??  Maybe some pictures and some history of your horse would help.  I have a thread that has videos for your transmission.  Let us know what is going on.  BTW  Welcome to Red Square.  :)
 

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squonk

Sounds like he just wants to go through it. Says it works in all gears ect. I would flush it out, replace the seals and run it! :banana-jumprope:

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bob's toy

As far as I know it has never been tampered with. Will drain and check for any metal shavers and condition of oil etc. I just wanted to know if most parts are available just encase I do have an issue. I have the unit whole machine torn down to the very last pieces except the engine and trans. So far all looking great. The only thing that worried me is when the wheels were being removed and I turned the wheel I felt a little vibration and the other side rotated the opposite direction, normal if I know my diffs. The only thing was I could feel a slight vibration. I want to thank you both for you quick response and I have looked at the videos and want to tell you how glad I am for you doing these. I will keep you posted on what I find when I drain the trans this weekend. Thanks again.
   

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stevasaurus

Bob, that trans is going to feel a little different from the other transmissions...being a limited slip.  It is like if you turn one wheel slow, the other one will turn in the opposite direction (in neutral).  Supposedly, if you turn it faster, the wheels will turn in the same direction...I have not been able to confirm that.  Most of what I have read on this site...put the front of your horse up against something that will not move (like a tree)...put the horse if gear and see if both wheels turn while pushing the tree.  If both wheels turn...the 10 pinion, limited slip differential is working.  It is not rocket science...what do ya think??  :eusa-think:  Basically, if one wheel is turning on ice (in gear) the other wheel should be turning in the same direction you are geared in.  The other manual transmissions would just sit there and spin their slippery tire...put your feet down and try to push the horse back.  Chains enter the picture here.  :)   In the 10 pinion, LS differential, the pinion gears "float" in their places with a hard steel spring keeping them in their places...the other differentials have a shaft going through the pinion gear that fits in the side plates and each side of the bull gear...and they turn on that shaft.  That is why it feels different when turning by hand.

This vibration thing has me wondering what you think you have there.  1st, I would flush the trans with diesel and run it for about 20 minutes...on blocks...in all gears...if the seals are not good, you will have oil tracks in your yard.  Drain and see what come out...any weird noises...maybe time to open it up...not hard and you know what you got.  It will last another 60 years.  :)

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diamondred

That "vibration" is the collapsing and expanding of the spring within the 10 pinions. If both wheels are spinning forward or backwards, you don't hear it. You will only hear it when : One wheel is moving faster than the other, or They're moving in opposite directions. Problem is, when they're old and worn the spring may break and cause big problems if not taken care of. My yard welcomes the 10 pinions...lol.

 

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   The one on the left is original, right is the new one I made from 1075 spring steel.

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stevasaurus

Diamondred, that is some interesting wear on that spring.  :)  You wouldn't have some more pictures of the spring you made, would ya?  I would like to see what you did at the opening.  Thanks  :)

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2 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

Diamondred, that is some interesting wear on that spring.  :)  You wouldn't have some more pictures of the spring you made, would ya?  I would like to see what you did at the opening.  Thanks  :)

The first and second previous pictures is of the new one. I will try to get a good close-up shots. On the original, the ends are slightly bent inward. I hand worked the ends with a file and sandpaper til I got it to fit the way I wanted.   

 

 

 

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stevasaurus

That's what I wanted to see, how you took care of the little inward bend.  Excellent.  How hard are they for you to make??  Thanks  :)

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diamondred

The material 1075 from Mcmaster carr  comes as treated,so it has to be annealed, cut, shaped, heat treated, tempered, then finish fitting. Yeah... takes quite a bit.

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stevasaurus

Involved for sure, but very cool and nice to know it can be done.  Thanks for sharing that.  :)

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