8 hsp Kohler Start Generator help

[stevasaurus 22,229]

Is there a way to make an "anti-clockwise" starter/generator turn clockwise for an 8 hsp Kohler engine???  Please help. The horse is a Commando 8.  I was helping Jan van der Zwaan in the Netherlands with shipping for his starter generator (the parts house does not ship over seas). 

[WH nut 553]

Im not sure, but being a DC motor, cant you just change polarity?

[dclarke 4,011]

Steve, you have to put different field coils in it to make it turn the other direction. Any starter repair shop could do that for you.

[953 nut 51,541]

Im not sure, but being a DC motor, cant you just change polarity?

 

No, wish it was that easy. When I first got my '48 Ford it was 6 volt positive ground. I changed it over to 12 volt negative ground and the old 6 volt starter turned the old flat head over real fast but in the proper rotation.

 

 

 

[stevasaurus 22,229]

Thanks guys..I needed a direction to head in.

[WheelHorse79 271]

Sounds like I may have a problem too with my 854.  I bought a new replacement S/G off a web site that had a specific listing for my series 301XXX 8 HP Kohler.  When I got the new S/G, it has label that says "anit-clockwise".  So, it sounds like this S/G won't work even though the cross reference shows it as being correct for my engine.  I haven't been able to get the S/G to work yet.  Any way to tell if it will work before hand?  Thanks!

[stevasaurus 22,229]

That is what happened to us.  The paper work is correct, but the starter has the CCW tag.  Cub Cadet's Kohlers turn in the opposite direction from the Wheel Horse Kohlers...hence the CCW starter / generators.  WE ordered ours from Pat's Small Engine Plus in Minnesota.  Is that where you got yours from??  I suggest you call them and tell them what happened...they should be able to get you the right one.  Our problem is that they do not ship over seas.  They shipped it to me here in the states, and I shipped it to Jan in the Netherlands.  The cost of returning it is cost prohibitive...shipping was like $98.00.  We are looking at other options.    Let us know what happens WheelHorse79.  Thanks

[C-101plowerpower 1,605]

That is what happened to us.  The paper work is correct, but the starter has the CCW tag.  Cub Cadet's Kohlers turn in the opposite direction from the Wheel Horse Kohlers...hence the CCW starter / generators.  WE ordered ours from Pat's Small Engine Plus in Minnesota.  Is that where you got yours from??  I suggest you call them and tell them what happened...they should be able to get you the right one.  Our problem is that they do not ship over seas.  They shipped it to me here in the states, and I shipped it to Jan in the Netherlands.  The cost of returning it is cost prohibitive...shipping was like $98.00.  We are looking at other options.    Let us know what happens WheelHorse79.  Thanks

 

other options would be like i do, a family friend of ours regularly ships seacontainers full with tractors and stuff from the states to here(netherlands), almost all the small parts we order in the states get send to the guy that loads the container and all the small parts are just "thrown" in there.

 

koen

[WheelHorse79 271]

Well, to add to my confusion, it all depends on what side of the "clock" you're looking at to determine clockwise and counter-clock wise.  I was looking at my 854 and figured that if the S/G rotated CCW, the starter pulley on the crank would rotate CCW as well.  However, if you go to the other side of the tractor where the output PTO shaft is, it will rotate clock wise.  I believe the drive belt running from the PTO shaft to the transmission input pulley needs to turn clockwise, to turn the rear wheels clockwise, so that the tractor moves forward.  Isn't my thinking correct?  If so, the the CCW rotation of the S/G would be correct.  Please let me know what you all think.

 

Thanks,

Michael

[stevasaurus 22,229]

The direction of the starter / generator is determined by when you look at the pulley end of the starter.  The transmission pulley on your transmission is supposed to rotate counter clockwise as is the engine pulley when you look at them straight on.  Therefore, a CCW starter turns the engine the wrong way for a Wheel Horse Kohler.  It will not start and it will throw gas out the carb.  You need to have a clockwise starter.  Now if you could figure eight the fan belt...

[Anglo Traction 759]

It's a shame the CCW S/Gen can't be mounted pulley end to PTO side and a Pulley on that side of the Crank, as it would turn the Engine the right way  

[buckrancher 2,673]

The direction of the starter / generator is determined by when you look at the pulley end of the starter.  The transmission pulley on your transmission is supposed to rotate counter clockwise as is the engine pulley when you look at them straight on.  Therefore, a CCW starter turns the engine the wrong way for a Wheel Horse Kohler.  It will not start and it will throw gas out the carb.  You need to have a clockwise starter.  Now if you could figure eight the fan belt...

both kohler motors turn the same way Steve (cub/wheelhorse) one uses the pto side for starting and the other uses the flywheel side that why there's cw/ccw and the need for different SG's for both brands

 

Brian

[CasualObserver 3,406]

There are plenty of people who have done this out in the world wide web.  This link will help you find some.-----> http://bit.ly/1d8OM1K

 

Steve... I'll be waiting for a middle finger and look of disgust in Jacksonville! 

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

Excellent link Jason!  I have plenty of uses for that one! thanks!

[WheelHorse79 271]

Thanks for the replies everyone.  I ordered another S/G that turns CW.  Now, I have to return the wrong one I got from Pete's Small Engine.  It's a shame that their product cross reference is wrong.  Caveat Emptor.

[jrc0528 20]

Hmm...  I've yet to pull a S/G apart, but switching directions should just be a matter of reversing the wires feeding either the brushes or the field coil(s).  This must be dont inside the casing, as switching the polarity of the wires outside the unit will have no effect.

Edited September 13, 2013 by jrc0528

[stevasaurus 22,229]

Thanks for all the information on this issue guys. Koen, Jan may try to get in touch with you...thanks.  I think he lives in Leermans...do not know if that is close to you or not.

[Dutch Commando8 5]

Hey there Steve and other supporters I had contact with Koen en will see if ordering a new s/g is an option.

At first I will try to reverse the S/G myself by reversing the wires, however.... the insides if both cw and ccw look exactly the same so I,m afraid It,s the inner piece that needs to be reversed or re winded.

If that,s so, I,m gonna take it to a s/g specialist here in Holland.

Steve, skype tomorrow at 15.00 your time? 

[Dutch Commando8 5]

Got it!!

I changed polarity by using the new inside of the S/G in the old outside, It,s turning the right way now, and running again!

[stevasaurus 22,229]

:happy-jumpeveryone:    EXCELLENT JAN.

[Anglo Traction 759]

Got it!!

I changed polarity by using the new inside of the S/G in the old outside, It,s turning the right way now, and running again!

Well Done that man right there!  . Real glad you've managed to sort it. 

[953 nut 51,541]