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[953 nut 51,680]

I think the complete tie rod and drag link would be the best bet.        For $ 75.00 you get four ends that would cost $ 80.00 separately  and nice new rods ready to paint.

https://wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/product/2711-tie-rod-toro-wheel-horse-953-1054/

 

https://wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/product/2771-drag-link-toro-wheel-953/

[Achto 26,554]

With work & other things getting in my way I have only been getting basically one day a week to work on the project.  This weekend's goal was to get the Ross box ready. The Ross box that was in this tractor was from a Cub Cadet and the shaft was on inch short for this application. @WHX?? was nice enough to set me up with a Ross box that was correct for a 953 but it had some damage. The goal - make one good set up out of the two. A pic of the correct Ross box that I got from Jim. You can see that the bottom has some chunks missing and one of the threaded mounting holes is damaged.

 

 

I removed the shaft and the tube from both steering boxes Unfortunately both tubes were damaged during this process but luckily I had a tube from a bed frame that had the correct outside diameter that I could cut to the correct length. I do kind of wish that I could have used the steering shaft from the Cub Cadet. Looking at the picture below the CC shaft had a better reduction than the  one. CC on the right  on the left.

  

 

One thing that I could use from the CC box was the bottom cap. This cap is used to set the end play on the bearings. Once set there is a cotter pin installed to keep the nut/cap from backing out. The CC cap has more notches to allow for finer tuning of the end play. The cap/nut for the  only has a strait slot which does not allow as fine of tuning for the bearing end play. In the pic below the Cub Cadet cap is the upper one,  is the lower one.

 

After a bunch of work, I now have a good Ross box that will fit & work as it should on my tractor.

 

Other than this the only thing that I accomplished was getting a few more parts sand blasted.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Achto

[jeremi3210 688]

Nice job on the ross box! Can't wait to see the tractor all finished! 

[Achto 26,554]

This weekend's agenda was the transmission. As I stated earlier the tranny that I got with this tractor had damage to the hitch pin mounting hole on the right hand tranny case.

 

Started out with 2 tranny's with the hope of making one today. First thing make a couple piles of parts.

 

Both tranny's were from a 953 tractor but I noticed some differences. First, one had longer key ways cut into the axle.

 

The one with longer keyways also had a woodruff key way cut into the opposite side of the axle. Why 2 key ways.

 

One differential had castle nuts that were wired together, the other one had lock nuts on the diff.

 

Here is one that really threw me. One tranny had bearings for the out board portion of the axle.

 

The other had bushings.

 

Had a talk with Lowell about the bearing / bushing thing. He suggested that some one may have use a regular 3 speed case that would have had 1" axles. To get the 1 1/8" axles to work they must have installed bushings. Relocated upper mounting holes for the tranny to F plate kind of confirms this theory.

 

Of course there are some parts to sort through. Like this great looking cluster gear for instance.

 

As far as the bearing / bushing issue, I'm still weighting my options. Install the bushings and run it or bore the cases out to 1 3/8" so that I can use bearings instead. Right now I'm considering boring the cases out so that I can install bearings.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Achto

[TractorEd 516]

You are doing amazing work!  

[WHX?? 46,773]

This had us  till a call to Lowell enlightened us. A two piece with bushings? Both trannys off a 953. Hint... the one with the bushings had extra F plate mounting holes in it. The plan was to use the half off the donor tranny which was the one with the bushings. 

Let you guys know why the donor had bushings instead of bearings after some guessing. There was  about part nos cast into the cases too. 

[WHX?? 46,773]

BTW Dan 4160 & 4161 are the IPL PNs for the cases. 

All four cases we have had 3000 & 3001 cast into them yet clearly came from different molds. 

@953 nut note the difference in the two pieces. Particularly the thickness of the far outboard housing and the nubbie at the far rear on the bottom one. Notice the seal setting area on the top one. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by WHX??

[Pullstart 59,720]

Dan do you need any internals or did you get it figured out?

 

 

[jeremi3210 688]

If my memory is correct, the 1257 trans have the same casings as the 953/ 1054's. I do know that they have bevel gear diffs. When I put my 8 speed in mine I drilled and tapped a hole in the case to make it fit the mount on my 953. Just throwing ideas out there.

[Achto 26,554]

40 minutes ago, Pullstart said:

Dan do you need any internals or did you get it figured out?

 

I think that I have enough inner guts to make one. Will let you know if I need anything. Thanks.

[jeremi3210 688]

Dan I think I have a the short side of my trans in my parts pile. Let me know if ya need it. 

[WHX?? 46,773]

That's the side he needs Jer... 1 1/8 axles ? Just for grins what is the part no cast on it? 

Edited February 13, 2023 by WHX??

[Shynon 7,435]

11 hours ago, Achto said:

The one with longer keyways also had a woodruff key way cut into the opposite side of the axle. Why 2 key ways.

someone has been in both of them , they should be a woodruff key.

[jeremi3210 688]

8 hours ago, WHX?? said:

That's the side he needs Jer... 1 1/8 axles ? Just for grins what is the part no cast on it? 

Not sure on a part number, but I know it came out of a 1054, pulled it out of the scrap yard myself for the rear end and the hydraulic lift. I used the other side and the axles for my 8 speed in my 953.

[953 nut 51,680]

11 hours ago, Achto said:

The one with longer keyways also had a woodruff key way cut into the opposite side of the axle. Why 2 key ways

 

26 minutes ago, Shynon said:

someone has been in both of them , they should be a woodruff key.

The early 953 like yours came with a straight 1/4" key-way, the 1054 has a Woodruff key but it is the larger #RX (1/4" X 2 3/4").

 

12 hours ago, Achto said:

I'm considering boring the cases out so that I can install bearings

That seems like the right thing to do.   

12 hours ago, Achto said:

 

One differential had castle nuts that were wired together, the other one had lock nuts on the diff

The rear-end came off the line with flex top lock nuts, McMaster-Carr part number 94830A132 is a direct replacement.

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[WHX?? 46,773]

12 hours ago, Achto said:

 I'm considering boring the cases out so that I can install bearings

Yep that or see what Jerimi's case half looks like. 

Lowell says he ran into the same thing once. 

PO took some cases with 1 in axles and put bushings in. They still had to bore the hub to accept 1 1/8 seals. So why didn't they just bore the hubs for 1 1/8 bearings right off? 

Just for practice I'm gonna search some IPLs and see if those 3000 case numbers pop up.  

1 hour ago, jeremi3210 said:

used the other side and the axles for my 8 speed in my 953.

That was our other thought... to use a eight speed I got from @Terry M that has full length keys. How did you deal with the hi/lo shifter Jer? 

Edited February 13, 2023 by WHX??
Speeling

[19richie66 16,942]

I believe there is enough room for the hi-lo to fit in there. Easiest thing to do is weld a new plate on the frame with the common bolt pattern and just use a newer transmission. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by 19richie66

[WHX?? 46,773]

6 minutes ago, 19richie66 said:

I believe there is enough room for the hi-lo to fit in there. 

That's why I asked Ritchie... maybe do that to 953 I have. Welding the plate on one wouldn't have to tsp new holes in the tranny. I didn't know yours was a 983 Jer. 

[19richie66 16,942]

8 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

That's why I asked Ritchie... maybe do that to 953 I have. Welding the plate on one wouldn't have to tsp new holes in the tranny. I didn't know yours was a 983 Jer. 

I have seen another 953/1054 with an 8 speed in it. As far as the plate goes, I would think you could probably redrill the one there or make another from 1/4” plate. I believe the frame gets in the way of the bolts with the hydraulic cylinder mount. Can’t remember. That’s why I just used a gt14 frame for my wife’s 1054. Either way I know you guys can manhandle it. 👍

[jeremi3210 688]

27 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

How did you deal with the hi/lo shifter Jer? 

I left the tunnel tirm piece out and put one bend in the shifter. Also I put in a 8 pinion diff instead of the bevel gear. The small side of the trans I just drilled and tapped a new mounting hole in the case.

Edited February 13, 2023 by jeremi3210

[Achto 26,554]

24 minutes ago, 19richie66 said:

Easiest thing to do is weld a new plate on the frame with the common bolt pattern

 

No room for this. with the way the frame is designed for the hydro lift.

[peter lena 8,067]

@Achto , like the tear down , did you re grease that split pulley bearing ? collective pulley drag areas , are a killer to function . looked at a lot of opportunities  , resto mod it ?  eliminate bad , install newer model W/H  replacement ?  just asking , pete 

[19richie66 16,942]

48 minutes ago, Achto said:

 

No room for this. with the way the frame is designed for the hydro lift.

Guess thats why I frame swapped mine. It’s been a little while since I did it. I know you can handle it. I’ve seen your work 

[Achto 26,554]

1 hour ago, peter lena said:

you re grease that split pulley bearing ? 

 

I did repack the new bearing that I used. My plan is to keep the tractor mostly stock. I'm sure there will be a few improvements here & there.

[WHX?? 46,773]

I suggested this Ritchie ... he says he's up for the challenge to run what he brung... 

 

We just can't get anything over ole greasy Pete can we!