steven 0 #1 Posted May 27, 2009 Iam a new wheel horse owner, and id like to find out what year this horse is. the model # is 1 6253 and the serial# is 732270. and i want to tune this thing up, however i cannot fine any points or condensor, if it is any help it is a k301, any info would help me . thanks, not sure if im posting this right, so please let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blaise314 4 #2 Posted May 27, 2009 Putting your Model # (1-6253) into the Toro Master Parts Viewer, shows your tractor to be a 1970. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be along shortly to answer your question about your points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickv1957 70 #3 Posted May 27, 2009 your model a 1970 would have the breakerless electronic ignition,is the coil small with a single wire attached to the bottom side,if so they are pretty much maintainance free,Rick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #4 Posted May 27, 2009 ok, it does have the single wire at the bottom, it has a slight backfire and a miss, but will smooth out when i engage the blades, the miss is still there, just not as bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickv1957 70 #5 Posted May 27, 2009 more than likely your carb is the problem,rebuild kit is about 10.00 or just an adjustment,Rick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #6 Posted May 27, 2009 ok, thanks, i will get a kit for it tommorow and get started, i do however need to get a gasket that goes to the fuel pump to engine, leaking oil pretty bad, thanks for the info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Confused99 2 #8 Posted May 28, 2009 I have a '70 Raider 12 too. It is a great machine and is my main horse. It has mowing duty during the summer and plow duty during the winter. Here is a pic of my Raider and my D200 Jason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 12 0 #9 Posted May 28, 2009 :drool: I have the same tractor and had an issue with the ignition (lost the spark completly). I had a local mower shop convert it to points ignition, works great now. As far as your oil leak goes (mine had the same problem) take the pump off of the engine and clean it up good. Then look at the pin that the pump lever pivits on, mine had slid out half way and oil was coming out the hole making a big mess. After finding this and knocking it back in and resealing the mounting gasket with a thin coat of RTV, the leak had stopped!!! O.K. on the engine miss if you don't want to tear into the carb just yet try this. There should be two adjustment screws one on top and one on the side, counting the turns, turn them in till they bottom out lightly then take them out all the way. Clean them and if you have an air compressor blow out the holes somewhat then put the screws back in to the original settings and try running it again. This helped mine on low speed and idle speed. Good luck and have fun!! :omg: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #10 Posted May 28, 2009 my raider 12 is my main mowing machine now, as I just sold my john deere tonight, I will post pictures as soon as i get a camera or figure out how to put pics on here from my cell phone. Thanks for the hardy welcome, this is by far the best wheel horse forum around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickv1957 70 #11 Posted May 28, 2009 What did you do to get the raider running right,Rick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #12 Posted May 28, 2009 Great I will try that with the carb adjustmen screws, and fuel pump, I really dont want to tear anything apart until the mowing season is done. I just purchased this raider for $200 and is in very good shape, no rust anywhere, not even the deck, although it has sat in a barn under a canvas cover for 5 years. got it home and checked the fluids and added gas, to my surprise it fired up and ran good, ecxept for the miss and backfire. I will get pics as soon as i can Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #13 Posted May 28, 2009 Hi rick, i havnt done anything yet, but will start in this weekend on the carb adjustment screws and fuel pump, if that dont work then i will rebuild the carb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #14 Posted May 30, 2009 Well, i just completed a full tune up and rebuilt the carb on the raider. A big thanks to all the good advice, it runs like new and didnt even hiccup, mowed the yard with it, and it did superb............now ive gotta find another one to bring back to life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #15 Posted May 31, 2009 the mechanical fuel pump seems to be leaking oil, I have replaced the pump to engine gasket, but continues to leak oil, where else on that pump could the oil be coming from Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickv1957 70 #16 Posted May 31, 2009 more than likely your pump is leaking from the pivit pin on the side of pump,Rick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #17 Posted May 31, 2009 is that something that can be taken apart and fixed? i spoke with a wheel horse dealer here in marion and he says there is no rebuild kit for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickv1957 70 #18 Posted May 31, 2009 if it was mine I would remove and clean pump and add a little JB weld to where pin comes thru pump housing to seal it,or replace pump,Rick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheel horse 1045 2 #19 Posted May 31, 2009 did you get the wheel weights with it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #20 Posted May 31, 2009 I will do the jb weld and see how that works, and to answer 1045 question, I didnt get the wheel weights, it was just the tractor and deck. I just got back home with a b-80 and a 252h, I really didnt want the 252h but had to take both. the o nly bad thing is the b-80 didnt have a deck with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USHorse 41 #21 Posted May 31, 2009 :omg: Welcome to RedQuare :drool: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steven 0 #22 Posted May 31, 2009 thanks for the nice welcome, this forum is great. Also, if anyone has a need for a wheel horse 252h I have one that runs but will need a tune up and a crack in the deck fixed. I want to trade it on a good deck that will fit my b-80. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider12 13 #23 Posted May 31, 2009 I have the same tractor and had an issue with the ignition (lost the spark completly). I had the same ignition problem 10 12 years ago with my Raider 12. The local dealer said it was very expensive to replace the modual and the pick coil. So I converted mine my self and after all these years I still have had to replace the points. Run like a top! :omg: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WheelHorse_of_course 99 #24 Posted June 2, 2009 A couple of points on the breakerless ignition. There is an adjustment - the trigger coil must be at a certain gap. The other thing is the spark plug gap is different than the other models. ISTR it is slightly less. 0.18 vs 0.20?? :drool: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
