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ebinmaine

My father wants to know if he should drive-on, or back on, to the nose of a 6 by 10 U-Haul trailer with one single tractor?

He has vast experience Towing and a very rugged vehicle with which to do so but wants to make sure that he is balanced correctly or even a little heavy on the tongue of the trailer.

The driveway of the previous owner of this tractor is nowhere near level so he wants to try to get as close as possible which is tough to do on a hill.

What are your thoughts?

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953 nut

For safety it is always best to back up the ramps onto a trailer. If you loose traction while going forward on a ramp you stand a good chance of going over backward when traction is regained. @rmaynard can attest to that.

 

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ebinmaine
1 minute ago, 953 nut said:

back up the ramps onto a trailer

I agree with that. In this case I don't think anybody is going to be on the tractor. They are either going to strap pull it up into the trailer or put it in low and idle it up the ramps...

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953 nut

The rear end tends to be heavier than the front but not a substantial difference.

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ebinmaine
Just now, 953 nut said:

The rear end tends to be heavier than the front but not a substantial difference.

Just like me.:ROTF:

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Racinbob

You definitely don't want the load 'balanced' on the trailer axle. The basic rule is you want the tongue weight to be about 15% of the total weight. In other words, if the total weight is 2000# the tongue weight should be about 300#. A 'balanced' trailer would mean sway city. About 60% of the load should be forward of the trailer axle. The axles on Uhaul trailers seem to be set a bit further back on the frame making it more likely for the unknowing loader to have more weight in front of it. Because of the variance in trailers and tow vehicles these numbers are not etched in concrete but you definitely want the trailer tongue heavy. I always used a weight distribution hitch pulling travel trailers which dispersed the tongue weight to all the axles. Even with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck that could easily handle the tongue weight it still took some weight off the front axle of the truck. :)

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RandyLittrell

I tend to just  pull on the trailer till it starts to squat the truck a little. These tractors really dont weigh that much so its really no big deal. U-haul trailers are tandem axle I think, so pretty safe to pull.

 

 

 

 

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Sarge

I've always wanted to take the time and borrow a set of racing scales from our local dirt guys and weigh out some of my tractor models front to rear to get some idea of how they are weighted - especially that D-180....might get some surprises .

 

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JimmyJam
41 minutes ago, RandyLittrell said:

I tend to just  pull on the trailer till it starts to squat the truck a little. These tractors really dont weigh that much so its really no big deal. U-haul trailers are tandem axle I think, so pretty safe to pull.

 

 

 

 

Randy

 Like Randy sez: PULL the tractor onto the trailer.

My experiences of idling or driving up is not safe!! A come-along or winch is a better, slower, controlled method. I loaded my Commando 800 with flat tires on my trailer with a hand winch and placed it closer to the tongue for proper towing "balance". Hauled it 8 hours from WNY to Massachusetts, over the Berkshire Mountains (highest elevation on Interstate 90) without sway or incident. 

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FYI: For extra precaution have your father bring Wheel Chocks! ...especially for the hilly driveway. Use caution if ice/snow is present. Better to park on street and roll tractor to trailer. Just my :twocents-02cents:. Best of luck!! ....and always :wwp:

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clueless

On a 6 x 10 Uhaul trailer forward or backwards won't make much difference, if any at all. "Back that thing up".   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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953 nut
1 hour ago, JimmyJam said:

FYI: For extra precaution have your father bring Wheel Chocks! ...especially for the hilly driveway

And don't do as a friend of mine did.  We were unloading a street rod project from a car trailer on his rather steep driveway, he had chocked the tires on the trailer and the truck. Unfortunately he chocked the rear tires of the truck and front tires of the trailer. A couple of us were pulling the car with a rope and one was on the trailer pushing. As we rolled the car back the trailer tilted toward the rear and all four wheels that had been chocked lifted off the ground simultaneously! The car was unloaded much faster than we had expected and his truck and trailer were at the bottom of the hill, no harm no foul. Of course the fellow who was on the trailer pushing the car off had to go home and change his shorts.             :scared-eek:

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2 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

And don't do as a friend of mine did.  We were unloading a street rod project from a car trailer on his rather steep driveway, he had chocked the tires on the trailer and the truck. Unfortunately he chocked the rear tires of the truck and front tires of the trailer. A couple of us were pulling the car with a rope and one was on the trailer pushing. As we rolled the car back the trailer tilted toward the rear and all four wheels that had been chocked lifted off the ground simultaneously! The car was unloaded much faster than we had expected and his truck and trailer were at the bottom of the hill, no harm no foul. Of course the fellow who was on the trailer pushing the car off had to go home and change his shorts.             :scared-eek:

OH NO !!

Okay so on the list so far - ratchet straps, hand or power winch, wheel chocks, extra underwear.

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RandyLittrell
8 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

OH NO !!

Okay so on the list so far - ratchet straps, hand or power winch, wheel chocks, extra underwear.

 

 

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cleat

If you do load the tractor backwards then make sure the hood is fully latched and the seat is tied down.

 

Don't want the wind to flip either up and cause damage.

 

 

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ebinmaine
5 hours ago, cleat said:

If you do load the tractor backwards then make sure the hood is fully latched and the seat is tied down.

 

Don't want the wind to flip either up and cause damage.

 

 

He's getting an enclosed trailer to avoid that.

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Lee1977

With out seeing the drive way, I wouldn't make any recommendations on how to load a tractor. As for where to tie it down a 600# Wheel Horse isn't going to make much difference. On my 5'x10' double axle trailer weighting 1350 #. I pull all the way to the front this puts the the tractor in front of the front axle. There is still 4' of tongue in front of the tractor. It we are talking about a full size tractor with wheel weights and loaded tires. I would load froward and place the rear tires between the axles.

 

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JoeM

6 x 10 tilt trailer, tows the best when backed on.

I use a boat winch on the trailer for those machines that don't run.

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PeacemakerJack
On 12/27/2017 at 3:12 AM, ebinmaine said:

He's getting an enclosed trailer to avoid that.

Eric—with all the copious amounts of salt on the roads right now—that is a GREAT IDEA!  It didn’t dawn on me, until our first bathroom break on the way towing Caleb’s new 418-C how bad the salt solution was.  It took me several hours of cleaning to get the salt off of everything. I’m still worried that there is residue in places that I haven’t reached.  I wish now that I had ponied up the extra coin and rented an enclosed trailer for that trip...

 

As far as loading goes, just make sure that he has some down pressure on the tongue.  That will keep that trailer from swaying back and forth especially over the longer distance trip.  In a single tractor situation, I wouldn’t be too worried about it, they just aren’t heavy enough.  When you get thousands of pounds of weight, you need to be increasingly more cautious. 

 

I can’t wait to follow the progress of this “wrangle” for sure...:coffee:

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ebinmaine
27 minutes ago, PeacemakerJack said:

I can’t wait to follow the progress of this “wrangle” for sure...:coffee:

I'll keep you all updated for sure. 

I can't wait to get the "wrangling" done so I can get it up and plowing 

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1 hour ago, PeacemakerJack said:

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@953 nut

Well done sir !

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@953 nut :bow-blue::clap:

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