Jump to content
drewd

can't pull front wheel off!

Recommended Posts

drewd

I'm working on the 416-8 I picked up a few weeks ago.  I need to replace the front tires so went to pull the rims.  One rim came right off as it should but the other will not budge.  I have removed the grease fitting and been filling it with WD40 for several days.  I have WD40 coming out through the bearing pretty well now.  I found a piece of tubing that fit over the axle perfectly and with a piece of wood over it pounded on it a bit hoping to break it loose but it just doesn't budge. The wheel that is frozen to the axle does hold air.  My next thought was to repair the other tire and just put the cotter pin to give some room on the frozen one and drive it around a bit in hopes that it will free itself once warmed up some with to pressure of turning, etc.        Any ideas on getting this thing off??  Thanks!!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
hondagod64

I would use something besides WD 40 for one and add some heat , even if it's from propane. If all fails then I would destroy the bearings in the rim to remove the wheel and replace bearings after the is replaced. 

 

My 2 cents....

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
Ed Kennell

Is there room to get a bearing splitter between the wheel hub and spindle flange?

7542121-21.jpg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
953 nut

Chances are the bearing is bad in the hub and has worn a groove into the axle. Your local auto parts store can loan you a "Pickle Fork Separator" that can be driven between the spindle and hub to force it off. Another option would be to remove the spindle from the axle and use a hydraulic press to get it off.

Image result for pickle fork

  • Like 2
  • Excellent 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

Thank you guys. There is no space for the splitter but the fork should work.  Thanks again!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
WHX??

I like Richard's option  to take it off the axle and get it up on the bench.  Either way you have to fix it or it will come back to haunt you....good luck. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

Thanks!  After playing around with this for a while and not have all the tools I came to the same conclusion and removed the assembly from the axle.  Will remove and replace the bearings on both front wheels as there is very little sign of grease anywhere! Thanks again everyone!  This will be a nice tractor with a little TLC!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

I noticed that the parts lists shows two different bearings for the front wheels.  Either 107124 Flanged bearing or 110513 bearing.  The bearings on mine are not flanged and I assume that is the way it came.  There is a big cost difference so I was going to go with the 110513.  Just wanted to check if there were opinions on this or if I'm fine with the non flanged less expensive bearing?  Thanks!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
WHX??

Either one will work. they are a common 1 3/8 od x 3/4 id  and should be flanged. Google 110513 bearing and you will have them coming out your ears for cheap. Speaking of cheap do watch that a little as some are pretty flimsy & low quality  and come from guess where? :lol: if they are sealed both side don't worry pick the inner seal out before installing. They do come pre-greased which is fine for a trailer queen but for a worker you'll want to be able to give them a shot of grease via that zerk you should find on the rim hub.

71JZnRq3orL__SL1500_.jpg

Edited by WHX12
speeling
  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
953 nut
3 hours ago, drewd said:

I noticed that the parts lists shows two different bearings for the front wheels.  Either 107124 Flanged bearing or 110513 bearing.  The bearings on mine are not flanged and I assume that is the way it came.  There is a big cost difference so I was going to go with the 110513.  Just wanted to check if there were opinions on this or if I'm fine with the non flanged less expensive bearing?  Thanks!

Check these out.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Sealed-Wheel-Bearings-Toro-Wheel-Horse-Garden-Lawn-Tractor-110513-25-1210/271993019474?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l264

  • Excellent 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

Thanks again guys!  Mine are flanged after all.  I knocked one out (on the wheel I could get off the axle) and they are flanged.  Thanks for the tip on picking the inner seal off if one is in place.  I do grease my equipment and this will be a worker!  Also, thanks for all your info on pricing.  I had looked them up on Jacks Small Engines and unless I was seeing things the flanged bearings were expensive. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
WHX??

If they are Toro yes they are quite proud of them. Doesn't mean you have to shop ther tho. Richard's link is a good one so consider ther. Get an extra set for the shelf after all ALL bearings were designed to be worn out! Ya get some extra time drewd we do like our :text-coolphotos: !

BTW you get them bearings off clean up the spindles with some fine emery cloth and clean up the rim bores and while you have them off maybe a shot of paint. Check those zerks they can plug up. You might already know all that just making sure the bases are covered. :)

Edited by WHX12
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

Thanks, all the info helps! Prices are all over the place so it's good to hear from those that have experience with these.  I'll go with Richard's suggestion.

  • Like 1
  • Excellent 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
Firebug

I had a lot of trouble getting the rear wheels off my d 200. I ended up getting a harbor freight bottle jack and a piece of 4x4. With one side still on I used the jack and wood to push the wheel off from the back side. Put the wheel back on and used it to push the other one off. It did take 3 hands to do it but it was fairly quick once I started putting pressure on it with the jack

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
Lane Ranger

953 NUT / Richard:  That Ball Joint fork is my old standby tool on a lot of Wheel Horse Pulley, Wheel and other removel tasks!       A Best Buy at a Garage Sale or yard sale!  My dad paid $5  for the one I have several years ago at a Swap Meet.

 

Keep on the look out for one of  those Wheel Horse owners!

 

imageproxy.jpg

Edited by Lane Ranger
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
953 nut
17 minutes ago, Lane Ranger said:

dad paid $5  for the one I have several years ago

I probably paid a bit more for mine, but that was 50 years ago.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
Ed Kennell
2 hours ago, Firebug said:

I had a lot of trouble getting the rear wheels off my d 200. I ended up getting a harbor freight bottle jack and a piece of 4x4. With one side still on I used the jack and wood to push the wheel off from the back side. Put the wheel back on and used it to push the other one off. It did take 3 hands to do it but it was fairly quick once I started putting pressure on it with the jack

A few years back, I used this method to remove the rear wheels from a F-250 that had been used a couple times a week to launch a 25 ' cruiser in salt water.

I was glad I left the lug nuts loose but in place with a full thread.   If I hadn't, that tire and wheel would have destroyed the fender and me when it popped loose.    :scared-eek:

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
Firebug

That could have been bad. Luckily mine didn't pop like that

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

Well guys, I got the wheel off and knock out the bearings.  The bearings on my rims are the larger outside diameter 107124.  The only ones I have been able to find online are selling for $75 or 80 EACH!!  New/old Toro stock.  Does anyone have a source for these that is reasonable?  Or should I try and find some rims that use the 3/4x1.3/8 110513 bearing?  Any suggestions greatly appreciated! 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
doc724

I am hard to believe that your wheel bearings are not standard sized.  WH has been using these standards as far back as the late 1970's (which is when I bought my first WH).  The wheel bearings do have a flange on one side to keep you from pressing them in too far.  See the pix posted by WHX12 in this thread on Sep 21.   As long as you have 3/4 axles and 1.375 in wheels, the standards should work just fine

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

If you look at the parts list they do show two different bearings.  Number 110513 the smaller one you are referring to & 107124 the larger one I have on this new tractor.  If you look 107124 it up online they come up as Toro new/old stock at very high price point. I actually bought the ones posted in this thread and will keep them for my 800 Commando. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

Here a pic of the larger bearing I punched out of the rim and a 110513 bearing.  Guess I am unlucky and the tractor I just picked up uses the larger bearing!

WH Bearings.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 
drewd

Finally had time to remove the stuck wheel from the shaft.  Made up a homemade press with a small bottle jack.  Worked great!  Now, I'll look for new rims that take the smaller, standard bearings.59d36ce932dd1_HomemadePress.jpg.5c8d7eafba8bba2a463e802a2c6e208b.jpg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Similar Content

    • Rob R
      By Rob R
      Afternoon gentlemen friend of mine's father passed after a long illness, and he is now the owner of his Wheel Horse 416-8 with the Onan P216.  He wants to sell it to me as he has other tractors. I never owned and Onan Machine what advice can you give me. It has been in storage for 5 years and of course according to him "ran when parked" Has 365 hours on it. Thanks in advance going to look at it this Wednesday.  
    • Jon Paulsen
      By Jon Paulsen
      Inexpensive - Carlisle X Trac ATV Bias Tire - 16x6.50-8 Good quality (I expect) Should look nice with my large rear aggies  
      I don't know how much these have been discounted, but I expect anything you find like this from a good brand will be 2X to 3X the price. $45 each at Amazon. This tire is discontinued. 
       
      Rough measurement seems they are about 16" tall and the lugs are about 1/2" deep. 



    • morePEdal
      By morePEdal
      416-8 with Onan P216 Engine
      The good:
      *576 hours
      *Nice, clean deck (42”)
      *Nice Plow
      *Wheel Weights
      *Chains
      *2nd owner. 1st owner sold the house in 2020 and said he was getting too old so he included it with the house.
      *Original receipts and paperwork and manuals.
      *Receipt showing tune-up and changing from the deck to the plow in November 2021
      The bad:
      *The last time it was used was the winter of ‘21/‘22. It is currently set up with the plow.
      *Had trouble starting, when it started, it died after 4-5 seconds. He had a portable charger and it helped. We got it running, but when I turned it down to idle, it died. 
      *I didn’t get a chance to test drive it because of this.
      *One front tire goes flat fast, one rear tire has a slow leak.
      *He is going to buy a battery before I look at it again on Friday so I can test drive it.
      What do you think is the issue? Is it the battery or fuel system?
      Do you have a way to verify what year this is with the ID number and serial number? Also, the ID number of the deck. I’ll upload pictures of the stickers.
      *He says his driveway has an incline so snow and ice would pool around his door opening so he got tired of his wheels spinning. He decided to pay for plow service. (Home is big and nice with a lot of land.) He also decided to get a zero-turn mower so that’s why this 416-8 wasn’t used since after winter ‘21/‘22.
      He’s asking $500.




    • Boyd
      By Boyd
      wheel horse garden tractor mower, rear discharge mowing deck & snow blower both in good condition and runs well. all the parts for the snow blower are with it.
       

    • odee61
      By odee61
      Will the PTO work from the 312 Hydro with a 12 hp Kohler onto the 416-8 Onan?  My PTO disc went today. Any help would be most appreciated.
×
×
  • Create New...