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Suggestions on removing key from axle? The Hub came off no problem.

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tommyg

Sounds like you got the hard part done. I don't think you want to heat it for fear of ruining the seal. I had to drill mine out and replace it with a new keyway. It was wedged that tight.

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JAinVA

The key is a standard woodruff half moon key.Some penetrating oil and carful use of a steel drift will get it loose.You can tap straight down on it at each end and then use the drift and drive it towards the trans case.If you have some heat like a propane torch then that will help as well but be careful of getting any of the trans parts to hot.You don't want to cook the seals.Don't worry about messing up the key as most home improvement stores will have some as well as Tractor Supply ,NAPA, McMaster Carr or most auto parts stores.

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608KEB

I got it. It was worse than taking the hub off. Also why on earth do people wrap wire around the axle to slow down the leak. If your gonna go that far. Why not get a new seal?

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608KEB

How do I get seal out? Special tool?

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Aldon

Use a pick for easier/best results. 

 

I usually manage with a screwdriver and locking needle nose.

 

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608KEB

Thanks for the suggestions. I got the seal replaced. I tried the picks but they weren't strong enough. I got the seal to spin by gently tapping it with a screwdriver and a small hammer. It worked out as I tapped.

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ztnoo

Welcome to the WHEEL HORSE HUB CLUB!

They can be the one of the most frustrating things about working on these old beasts.

They will truly test your mental patience and stamina and physical endurance.

If you are interested, you can read below threads about my adventures and the knowledge gained by myself and others:

 

Hubs:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61495-gt-14-rear-wheel-hub/?page=1

Woodruff Keys:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61612-gt-14-axle-seal-replacement/

Axle seals replacement:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61612-gt-14-axle-seal-replacement/

 

(Thread by another forum member), Woodruff key size chart:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/50509-woodruff-key-size-chart/

 

10 hours ago, 608KEB said:

why on earth do people wrap wire around the axle to slow down the leak. If your gonna go that far. Why not get a new seal?

 

Answer: Because they didn't want to, or weren't equipped to remove the hub..........and then the key.

They may have seen the movie before and didn't want to watch reruns of the same old horror flick.

 

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mmmmmdonuts

I tend to use pincer pliers to remove the woodruff keys by grabbing the two ends from the long way of key after liberal amounts of penetrating oil. I then try and rock the key back and forth until it comes out. They usually damage the key sometimes where I need a new one but I usually can get it out quite easily.

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DougC

Yep, if the hub slides right off you have to fight the key.

If you fight the hub, the key comes right out.

Either way you have sore knees from all the crawling around!    :lol:

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ztnoo

All I know is I fought an epic one man battle with both the hub and the key on my tractor's right side.

Most people could take a nice little 4 or 5 day vacation with the time I spent messing with those two "x0^</>*)`-0x" parts.

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608KEB
17 hours ago, ztnoo said:

Welcome to the WHEEL HORSE HUB CLUB!

They can be the one of the most frustrating things about working on these old beasts.

They will truly test your mental patience and stamina and physical endurance.

If you are interested, you can read below threads about my adventures and the knowledge gained by myself and others:

 

Hubs:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61495-gt-14-rear-wheel-hub/?page=1

Woodruff Keys:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61612-gt-14-axle-seal-replacement/

Axle seals replacement:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61612-gt-14-axle-seal-replacement/

 

(Thread by another forum member), Woodruff key size chart:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/50509-woodruff-key-size-chart/

 

 

Answer: Because they didn't want to, or weren't equipped to remove the hub..........and then the key.

They may have seen the movie before and didn't want to watch reruns of the same old horror flick.

 

17 hours ago, ztnoo said:

Welcome to the WHEEL HORSE HUB CLUB!

They can be the one of the most frustrating things about working on these old beasts.

They will truly test your mental patience and stamina and physical endurance.

If you are interested, you can read below threads about my adventures and the knowledge gained by myself and others:

 

Hubs:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61495-gt-14-rear-wheel-hub/?page=1

Woodruff Keys:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61612-gt-14-axle-seal-replacement/

Axle seals replacement:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/61612-gt-14-axle-seal-replacement/

 

(Thread by another forum member), Woodruff key size chart:  http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/topic/50509-woodruff-key-size-chart/

 

 

Answer: Because they didn't want to, or weren't equipped to remove the hub..........and then the key.

They may have seen the movie before and didn't want to watch reruns of the same old horror flick.

 

I I could swear I ordered 2 sets of axle seals last summer from my toro dealer. #6449.

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ztnoo

Hear ye, hear ye......I'll raise my glass to that bit of wisdom and all the initiated WH brethren who have gone before me.

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Ed Kennell

Stubborn Parts Removal Club.....looks like we need a new decal.

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Sarge

No such thing as stubborn parts here , I own a Harris Steelworker torch , 3 welders , 12lb sledge hammer and a 30 ton hydraulic press - not to mention I'm a welder and a Laborer .

18yrs of dealing with Heavy Highway , Nuclear and Coal power plants , Pipeline and Boring will give you skills required to remove anything that is "stuck" .

I also have access to an old school welder/shop next door , heavy equipment Operators and an assortment of large, heavy hydraulic equipment .

 

Got a door that won't line up to seal on a Chevy pickup ?

No problem - Side Boom Caterpillar with a good Operator and a lifting strap , while holding the truck down with a 90,000lb Excavator.....that door fits perfectly now , not a scratch . Same process with the bent tailgate...lol . Body repairs done at lunch time , during breaks - sure, why not ? I can fix anything...

 

Oh, and a buddy that's an explosives expert with access to whatever he needs - just in case something really refuses to cooperate....

 

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MalMac

I hear ya Sarge, I was a Heavy Equipment operator in the Corps and then for awhile in the civilian world. Also cross trained over in explosives/demo. Have not found anything yet can't be fixed or eliminated with a well placed charge. 

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WHX??

Funny guys....had to melt the plastic off to get at a steering wheel hub and was still a fight all the way! I'm in that club!

You must be working on your 520 axle @608KEB when your done head up my way for another! :ychain:

Last summer I accidentally wrapped a 3/16" cable around a hub while pulling stumps with the 520 and it mangled the plastic thrust washer which in turn caused the seal to start leaking. Managed  to cut the washer out without taking the hub off and the leak stopped but still on the project list to replace the seal & washer. I am going to suffer for my stupidness in getting the hub off! :wacko::blink::angry-banghead:

 

Actually truth to that Mal... we used explosives to remove the huge propellers from nuclear submarines! Packed the area behind it with C-4 and while a crane held the screw and  lit her off. Moved it about an inch so the crane could pick it right off.

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608KEB

I replaced a axle seal a few years ago and the PO stuffed steel wool in the hub with wire wrapped around it if i remember it right. So when I saw the wrapped wire.... WHX9 yeah call me I'll be up there in a jiffy to give you a hand!:occasion-snowman:

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Hacksawhero123

The best seal pulling tool I have found is the small slide hammer puller. It's my go to first tool for seals. 

Mark. 

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