Stike 204 #1 Posted July 29, 2016 Hello, New member but have been lurking in the shadows for a while . Somehow may have become a WH addict as now I have 4 of them all saved from scrap yard, list is 308- 8, c195, c175, and unknown for now had 8 horse ventricle shaft kohler blown I swapped with 14hp kawasaki. The c175 is my latest with kohler m18 but don't know if this engine can handle torque from WH pto and can't find Id tag on motor and hope some of the very knowledgeable people here could tell me where to look and what model engine has bearings on crankshaft or if this should just be a plow/general use tractor. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #2 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) The M18 was used on a WH at one time, on the 418. I think there was a 418-8, 418A, and 418C. Only made for a year or so I think before they got into the onans and 500 series. I dont know if they spec'd anything special for the WH versions or not, but i think it should be OK as i believe they all had bearings not bushings. Someone correct me if im wrong! [I was wrong (big suprise!) see @pfrederi's reply below!] Edited July 29, 2016 by bmsgaffer corrected information. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,515 #4 Posted July 29, 2016 The M18 will be just fine. Welcome to the Red Square corral, members are always Horsing around! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackhammer 544 #7 Posted July 29, 2016 Welcome to RedSquare - strike I had a chance a couple years ago to buy a 418 with the mag as you have. I tested it and rode around -- - did that mower a big update , it was a commercial mower 418C with almost 3500 hours. As the members above had said . you should be happy with that . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,116 #8 Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) Mag 18's did NOT have ball bearing on the cranks. Only a very few had thrust bearings. On most the only thing taking the end loading from a WH PTO is the tiny flange on #23. You need one with 24-26 if you want to use a manual PTO. Out of many many spec numbers only the very few in the image used the trust bearing. Electric PTO's would work on any M18 Wheel Horse only used the M18 on the 418a in 1987(i have one) The Spec # is 24510. When you look it up it has the trust bearing set 24-6 and is one of only 5 variants (#118) out of 182 spec #s that have them. Edited July 29, 2016 by pfrederi 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stike 204 #9 Posted July 29, 2016 Thank you for the replies, the po told me he thought his grandfather had a WH dealer swap engine when the original kt17 threw a rod but was not positive, I don't want to ruin this engine using manual pto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #10 Posted July 29, 2016 If the WH dealer did the swap you would hope that they used a correct spec# engine on it, but it would be good to double check! Thanks for the good info Paul! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,116 #11 Posted July 29, 2016 The Spec and serial # should be on part #12 But it was only a sticker not stamped (like Techies and B&S). At the moment I can't figure anyway of determining if it has the thrust bearing from the outside Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,116 #12 Posted July 29, 2016 I replaced a blown KT17 in a C-175 with a very well used KT17 from a John Deere 317. Deere didn't spec thrust bearings in their KT17s. I picked up an electric PTO and it runs my sweeper just fine. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIGman 2,006 #13 Posted July 29, 2016 to Red Square!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stike 204 #14 Posted July 29, 2016 Thanks again for the info and diagrams i'll check that tag when I get off work, but I doubt it will be legible, probably need to find electric pto and use tractor for grading till I find one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stike 204 #16 Posted July 29, 2016 Amazingly the tag is in good shape, it says model no. M18S spec no. 24500 serial no. 1527315146 any help identifying this would be much appreciated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,116 #17 Posted July 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, Stike said: Amazingly the tag is in good shape, it says model no. M18S spec no. 24500 serial no. 1527315146 any help identifying this would be much appreciated. Doesn't look promising Spec 24500 is variation 400 for the crank case. The crank case section doesn't show variation 400 as using the thrust bearing. Checked the Kohler site 24500 is a basic engine spec, not made for any particular user. Probably a service/replacement engine. Sorry.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 46,675 #18 Posted July 29, 2016 18 hours ago, Stike said: Somehow may have become a WH addict as now I have 4 of them You'll fit right in then 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stike 204 #19 Posted July 29, 2016 Thank you very much for all your help. Looks like electric pto moved to the top of my list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stike 204 #20 Posted July 29, 2016 My son moving gravel in driveway with his "new" c175 and neighbors boys trying to steal my c195 and me seeing if I can upload pics. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elcamino/wheelhorse 9,021 #21 Posted July 29, 2016 Welcome to Red Square. You have to watch the small boys , they are crafty, your horses maybe gone before you turn around good. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuneup 1,416 #22 Posted July 30, 2016 yes, black hoods - very nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 36,940 #23 Posted July 30, 2016 Think I'm spying... another calender shot here. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
