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Jay1775

I have a 211a i just bought for $15. I got it running. However when i shift in reverse it goes slow forward, and when i shift forward it goes in reverse fast. I am not sure if someone messed with the linkages or what. Any help would be appreciated.

below are pictures of the shift linkage as i have it shifted into forward gear. Does anyone of pics of the linkage or able to tell me why its moving in opposite directions from what i am shifting it into?

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https://youtu.be/1BmwvMLdQ4g

Here is a clip of me testing the wheel horse yesterday. Notice when i shift the gear lever which way the wh goes. In reverse it flies to the point when breaking the front wheels come up off the ground and in forward in moves slowly making me think that the gears have been reversed some how. Edited by Jay1775

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Don1977

The drive belt has been installed the wrong way. The belt twist on the engine pulley. Take it off and twist it the other way.

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Jay1775

Don thanks. Do you have a diagram or a pic of the correct way to install it?

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Don1977

Go to Partstree  then Toro and look under Lawn & Garden Tractors. Then look for 211A. Then transmission drive belt..

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Jay1775

Ok i just went out and checked the belt. It was twisted because the v pulley and idler pulley had been switched sometime ago. However after getting the pulleys and belt correct it is still moving forward in reverse and forward when placed in revers. Is it me or does it look like some flipped the cam speed lever upside down? Is that possible to do? 

The the images and let me know what you guys think.

 

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Don1977

The parts picture shows the top side of the cam. Your picture is look at the bottom side. I still think you have the belt twisted wrong.

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bmsgaffer

Check when you have it running the fan should be blowing air over the pump, should be pretty easy to tell that way.

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Does anyone else have a 211a that they can take pics and send of the cam plate and routing of the belt? This may help me solve the issue one and for all.

thanks

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stevasaurus

Jay, I put a message in the Shout box for some help with your horse...maybe someone with a 211a will see it.  :)

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bmsgaffer

Jay:

The cam plate in your video is working correctly as it would on the bigger horses. The short throw is reverse and the long throw is forward.

As per your question in your video, if the belt is twisted the wrong way then the hydro pump will spin backwards and everything will work backwards (The big twist- which side of the belt goes above or below the other-, not the little twist in the belt from one pulley to the next). I think that is what you have going on here.

If you set your camera up to record the hydro fan while you are cranking, you may be able to tell which way its turning. I dug around for a while and found a really good image on how your belt is supposed to go. This view is from the top of the tractor (a cut away) so it looks from your video as if your front idlers are backwards (vee and flat). Hard to tell exactly from the video.

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Clarification.
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stevasaurus

That looks like an excellent picture Brandon...let's see what happens and thanks for hanging in there.  :)

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Molon_Labe

Jay, from what I see in the video, it looks like the flat and v-pulleys have been interchanged. Yours looks to have the flat pulley on the bottom and the V pulley above it, opposite the diagram.

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squonk

I don't know who designed that belt drive arrangement, but after seeing that pic, they need to be committed! :eusa-think:

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Thank you guys for all stepping in to assist me. I hope the videos i provide help. I try to post pics and videos as quick as possible to keep this going and solve the issue quickly.


i also swapped the pulleys in hopes ti match the diagram.

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Bingo!!!! I swapped the pulleys and reran the belt. Now she is working like she should. You guys are awesome. Thank you guys foreverything and i hope the videos and diagrams can help someone else down the road.

 

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Molon_Labe

Bingo!!!! I swapped the pulleys and reran the belt. Now she is working like she should. You guys are awesome. Thank you guys foreverything and i hope the videos and diagrams can help someone else down the road.

 

That deserves a big thumbs up for hanging in there! Glad you got 'er going!

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bmsgaffer

Glad to hear it Jay! We love keepin them horses running smoothly :handgestures-thumbupright:  :wh:

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Jay1775

I am just fortunate that you guys were patient and also hung in there with me. You guys rock. Since i have you guys gere i should ask...

By chance does anyone know of what attachment blades or snow throwers might match up with 211a? I am bot sure of any model numbers or how they would hook up. Also do i need a special bracket ?

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bmsgaffer

I would guess whatever fits the 200 series from your era will cross over, but im not sure. There are some guys on here that have some 200 series tractors that can jump in hopefully.

As I'm sure you have noticed, we love to help all horses but the smaller vertical shaft tractors are not as common to find on here. They had more specific attachments that were only made for a few years. Now if you happen to pickup a horizontal shaft, classic style C series, 300, 400, or 500 series you will find LOTs of help and tons of attachments and spare parts as they generally interchange from the 1970's through late 2000's.

If you post a wanted ad for the things you are looking for in the classifieds you may have some people that can help out.

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Jay1775

Thanks for info. Does the same go for c100 and c200? Do they have a lot of parts?

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bmsgaffer

C-100 is a part of the C series, so yes almost anything will cross over across the whole attachmatic system. They are considered "garden tractors" versus the 200 series "lawn tractors". They are just a bit bigger and are rated for ground engaging equipment like tillers, plows, grader blades, etc.

C-200 wasnt a production model (there is a custom built one floating around though), D-200 was but those will have special D series attachments only.

Attachmatic Tractor Rundown (not gospel, but it gets you an idea):

  • Early C series are C-xx0 where xx is horsepower (8,10,12,14,16) square looking long red hoods
  • Later C series are C-xx5 where xx is horsepower (8,10,12,14,16,17) they are also known as 'blackhoods' as they had a plack painted insert in the hood. There was also a C-195 but it was a much larger tractor known as "the super-C"
  • 3xx,4xx,5xx - (08,10,12,14,16,18,20) Not all series have all HP and the higher series had a heavier duty transmission (in general, not always strictly followed) with the 520 being the special one which had heavier duty front axles and steering on the later models. (Does NOT apply to any with "xi" after the number)
If you spend a day browsing this site and reading topics and looking through the gallery you will get a pretty good handle on all these tractors have to offer. Edited by bmsgaffer

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Jay1775

Thank you Bmsgaffer. All the info you have provided has been very helpful. I appreciate your help and thos that assisted me with fixing my 211a. I am sure to have more questions however, i am going to read over the site and get a better understanding of the Wheel Horses.

who knows i may become a WH
addict lol

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