Coley909 12 #1 Posted February 15, 2015 Changing my oil during the plowing season. I looked it up on tractor data they say 2.5 qts my manual says 3 pints which is 1.5 qts so who's right? Probably the manual... Just want to make sure. Should I change the transmissions fluid as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,897 #2 Posted February 15, 2015 From the Toro/Wheel Horse Lubrication Bulletin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #3 Posted February 15, 2015 Didn't know we had that thank you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #4 Posted February 19, 2015 Well I wanted to just top off my transmission fluid but I don't have the slightest clue what fluid is in there now. Should I switch to 10w-30? Should I use dextron 3? How do I switch fluids? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,147 #5 Posted February 19, 2015 Wipe the dip stick on a clean paper towel. if it is red it is ATF (Dexron3). Tan or darker it is motor oil. I would stick with what ever you have in there now. They do not mix well and flushing is a project. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #6 Posted February 20, 2015 From just looking at the dip stick it's pink. I'll double check with a paper towel but I just wanted to make sure it was the way to go and if it's dextron 2 or 3 because I know they don't mix either. I may just drain it and put in dextron 3 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chazm 412 #7 Posted February 20, 2015 Pink = water drain it ...fill with diesel fuel...run it a short time... drain it again & put new fluid in it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #8 Posted February 20, 2015 I didn't check it against the paper towel I just meant it's not oil in that thing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,147 #9 Posted February 20, 2015 Pink = water drain it ...fill with diesel fuel...run it a short time... drain it again & put new fluid in it I do not think running a hydro with Diesel for any time at all is a good idea. It is ok to use it to clean out geared units but not hydros. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,147 #10 Posted February 20, 2015 From just looking at the dip stick it's pink. I'll double check with a paper towel but I just wanted to make sure it was the way to go and if it's dextron 2 or 3 because I know they don't mix either. I may just drain it and put in dextron 3 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They make an ATF now that is backward compatible with Dexron 3 and older types ( and even early Mercons.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chazm 412 #11 Posted February 20, 2015 I do not think running a hydro with Diesel for any time at all is a good idea. It is ok to use it to clean out geared units but not hydros. DOOOH... My bad .. I need to read before I speak.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #12 Posted February 20, 2015 Haha ok glad I didn't do that. I saw a atf that says universal for any transmissions after 1983 or something like that. Should I go that route? Or just dump it and fill it with dex 3 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,147 #13 Posted February 20, 2015 It certainly would be a good idea to change the fluid (and filter) especially if you do not know how long it has been in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fordiesel69 213 #14 Posted February 23, 2015 If you cannot identify what fluid is in there just use a 10w-30 oil and change it twice. No need to split heads over it. Use a genuine Toro filter. Aftermarket filter will go into bypass mode whenver cold which will push all the fine dirt back into the tranny. I am aware of a very short list of aftermarket filters that work well in these tranny's but I do not know tha prt #'s. Using the diesel / kerosene flush method is great for gearboxes. Not for hydro's. The best bet for a hydro is to change the fluid multiple times and get it hot before changing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #15 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) If you cannot identify what fluid is in there just use a 10w-30 oil and change it twice. No need to split heads over it. Use a genuine Toro filter. Aftermarket filter will go into bypass mode whenver cold which will push all the fine dirt back into the tranny. I am aware of a very short list of aftermarket filters that work well in these tranny's but I do not know tha prt #'s. Using the diesel / kerosene flush method is great for gearboxes. Not for hydro's. The best bet for a hydro is to change the fluid multiple times and get it hot before changing. He said the dipstick is pink/red colored, definitely want to use ATF -- NOT engine oil so you dont have to flush the whole system. Edited February 24, 2015 by bmsgaffer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #16 Posted February 24, 2015 Bought some dex 3 last night going to drain it this weekend and fill it back up. Is all the fluid going to come out? I know on cars it doesn't because of the torque convert, yes these don't have a torque converter as far as I know but wasn't sure if some other place would hold a quart or two. Either way I bought plenty to fill it up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #17 Posted February 24, 2015 Dumb question to add. How do I read the dip stick? By screw it all the way back into the case or by just dipping it in without tightening it at all Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,897 #18 Posted February 24, 2015 Dipstick is read by resting it on the crankcase, not screwing it it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #19 Posted February 24, 2015 If we are still talking about the transmission, I fully seat it and check (no threads), but I could be wrong about this. No it will not all come out, there will be fluid in all the hydro lines, the cylinder, and the pump and motor. This is usually fine, however if you are worried about it then change it once (just replace what you remove) then run it for a while (moving hydro and lift cylinder) and change it again. You still wont get it all but that should get most of the bad stuff out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #20 Posted February 24, 2015 Haha two different answers. That's never good Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,147 #21 Posted February 24, 2015 Kohler's idea to set dip stick threads on the engine crankcase to measure oil level is sort of unique (and I think based on Bob's reply mentioning crankcase that is what he was thinking of not your hydrostatic transmission). Just about everybody else measures levels with the dipstick pushed all the way in or screwed on snuggly. Reality is it isn't a hugely significant difference. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #22 Posted February 24, 2015 Ok sounds good I just couldn't decide which way to measure I'll do it resting on the case Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #23 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Yea I just replied because I think Bob was thinking engine, not transmission... Transmissions don't have crankcases so that tipped me off. (Honest mistake, since this topic is in the wrong section... ) Edited February 24, 2015 by bmsgaffer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coley909 12 #24 Posted February 24, 2015 Yea I just replied because I think Bob was thinking engine, not transmission... Transmissions don't have crankcases so that tipped me off. (Honest mistake, since this topic is in the wrong section... ) I'm new I don't know what to do! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #25 Posted February 24, 2015 I'm new I don't know what to do! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Haha I'm just teasing ya. An admin may bump it to the right section, but as far as your transmission goes looks like you are on a good path, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites