Vinylguy 4,666 #201 Posted February 15, 2014 Will you be putting her carcass on ice for a reanimation in the future? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #202 Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) well #2 doesn't look like that anymore, Terry..... not sure what i will be doing with it yet....... Edited February 16, 2014 by Martin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #203 Posted February 16, 2014 ive had a lot of guys on the forum today asking about the plating of hardware and the cost involved. what you see in the pic below cost me $39.90 out the door. this was about 1/3 to 1/2 a 5 gallon bucket full of parts. they told me its a flat rate for up to roughly 3/4 of a 5 gallon bucket. now i don't just unbolt the parts, throw them in a bucket and take them in. they told me that anything that has paint on it will take longer in the acid bath, so much so that the cost would be more. most of their business is local industrial, all new stuff, bare metal, never been plated or painted before. so thats what they like. so to keep them happy and in the end myself too by getting a better looking result, i degrease and glass bead blast everything first. they do clear zinc or yellow and black chromate finish. hope that has answered any questions. right now I'm starting to get another batch ready to get plated. when its all ready to take in i will post another pic to show how i take the parts in..... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ol550 825 #204 Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Martin, frankly I think you spend entirely too much time on your restorations -- what you need to do is clear your mind , think pleasant thoughts, breath thru your nose and practice more this coming weekend. Then you can go at it again the first of next week. I know jackhammer told you to relax but it's been 5 days without an update. Edited February 21, 2014 by ol550 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #205 Posted February 21, 2014 yeah, yeah. I'm busy, nothing pic worthy though. actually i forgot to take a pic when i took in another load of stuff to be plated yesterday, so i can't even post that. waiting on electrical parts to rebuild the wiring harness, and tomorrow I'm taking the stripped down engine in to clean up the block and heads..... updates will come soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #206 Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) for all those complaining about no updates, heres one........ got the wiring harness all sorted this morning. it had the typical problems for these models, burnt terminals in molex connectors and the 30 amp fuse terminals were also burnt into the plastic fuse block. so purchased a new fuse block (del city part #73895 $4.14ea) and i used a few molex connectors from the kit i purchased earlier on for 416#1. i went through one area at a time, pulling and cleaning all the terminals or replacing if they were corroded or burnt. the ignition switch plug was also changed out for a good one as it wasn't holding the terminals correctly. all the wiring and plugs that were reused were given a good scrub to get them looking better...... heres a typical problem with the fuse blocks, too much electrical heat causes the terminals to burn or melt into the holder. I've had fuses welded to the terminals as well. new fuse block i used just about all the standard harness, cutting off the terminals that were bad and crimping new ones on. here the old fuse terminals have been removed and replaced with new, pushed home into fuse block. the factory fuse holder has the same bridged terminals as the replacement. the 30 and 25 amp fuses are both fed by a bridged terminal with one wire from the starter. i thought it would be better to run two independent wires from the starter to each fused circuit rather than run all through the one. the 1995 416-8 harness only runs one wire oem, but i noticed that my 1991 416H has two wires....so they did do it at one stage. i just think that running all the current for these 2 circuits through one wire is why this area has a problem in the first place.... this is the two wire fuse bridged terminals, the single wire bridged terminal fell apart from corrosion and being burnt. these are the replacement ones, they come in a strip of 4 but i already cut them for this application. since i changed my mind and went with single terminals, these weren't needed anymore. the strip also makes it impossible to crimp with the tool i have so the two wire single method worked better for me. since i wanted to run two wires to feed two circuits here i needed to use a circuit through the engine harness connector.... there are two spare so that is no problem. i picked the one that the engine harness side of the plug has the white wire that runs to the starter. this wire isn't needed on this model, so i will leave this one out and replace with a red power wire. the empty position is in the middle. this is the tractor side of the harness and not the engine side..... the engine side has a white wire from this center position. so this plug was swapped out, terminals cleaned or replaced and the red wire added..... this is the white wire at the starter end of the engine harness..... typical reason why checking these terminals can avoid future problems..... harness getting there. made up the pto safety switch assembly, two new switches and replated bracket with new fasteners..... harness taking shape on hood stand. also started to clean up the engine ready to go back together. also got some more parts painted..... Edited March 2, 2014 by Martin 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wishin4a416 2,185 #207 Posted February 22, 2014 Lookin real good Martin. Making good progress! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dclarke 4,011 #208 Posted February 22, 2014 Lookin good Martin!... Thanks for all the pics, I always look forward to updates on whatever you're workin on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #209 Posted February 22, 2014 thanks Jack and Denny. i forgot to add that i got the micro switches through mcmaster carr....... part # 7779K63 $2.93 ea. http://www.mcmaster.com/#7779k63/=qt68r2 trying to put some of the part numbers and prices on here, just in case it helps somebody out...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowtiebutler956 649 #210 Posted February 22, 2014 I'm with Denny, I always look forward to your updates. That is one sweet looking wiring harness! Matt 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 36,941 #211 Posted February 23, 2014 How 'bout a restoration Martin? well #2 doesn't look like that anymore, Terry..... not sure what i will be doing with it yet....... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #212 Posted February 23, 2014 one day i might try that 'restoration' thing you speak of........ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,487 #213 Posted February 23, 2014 Martin. Your over the top on your restoration expertise. I am working on the 854. Doesn't hold a candle next to your work. Glenn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #214 Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Glenn, its all trick photography, smoke and mirrors. you should see how it looks without all the photoshopping and special effects....... and if i miss any bad spots, Terry comes through with some great decals strategically placed to cover them up...... Edited February 23, 2014 by Martin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smoreau 658 #215 Posted February 23, 2014 Glenn, its all trick photography, smoke and mirrors. you should see how it looks without all the photoshopping and special effects....... and if i miss any bad spots, Terry comes through with some great decals strategically placed to cover them up...... I think it is time to throw in the towel and just send my C160 over to Martin's for a Magic Carpet Ride! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #216 Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) since I got abused for going five days without an update, I'm getting another one in right now to avoid anymore complaining this week....... got a lift lever from Kelly saturday so that got blasted and painted this morning before work. I'm waiting on the rest of it to come back from plating and then it will get assembled and installed...... also pulled the oil pan and was greeted by lots of crap. when i flushed this engine earlier ( when i first got it working) with diesel, i tried to get as much crap out of it as possible but there was still a bunch left in there. thankfully the pickup screen has kept it all in the pan. hopefully any small stuff got caught up in the oil filter, if any. i could see where this could be starving the engine for oil. it had good oil pressure, so i think it will be ok. I'm not going to go any further into this engine as its such a good runner. i pulled the oil pick up and checked out the oil pump internals and absolutely no junk in there so i think I'm good. the engine will get buttoned up and detailed before putting the tins on. heres some pics..... upper engine looks very clean though, and even with it spending some time out in the weather, there is really no corrosion to speak of inside other than one counterweight is a little brown........... started to work on some of the external parts. one of the manifolds i had was really dirty inside and had some corrosion, so i thought i would see how it cleaned up for this one. the outside got a mild bead blasting the other day when i started to clean up the engine, but the inside was still bad. not sure if it leaked either, so i thought this would be a good candidate for drilling and separating. it will get cleaned up inside and re siliconed. little more work done on the block too. scotch brite and sore fingers........ i think the block is going to look nice when done. the corrosion on it was really bad when i first got this one and i thought it would be a hard one to get looking good. i think it will be ok. i had to bead blast it at real low pressure to remove the corrosion and crap. from there its had a lot of rubbing with fine scotch brite....... Edited February 25, 2014 by Martin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMC RULES 36,941 #217 Posted February 25, 2014 Umm, can you say...hand cramp? I wondered how you were getting them so clean Martin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ol550 825 #218 Posted February 25, 2014 You the man!!! Needed the update to keep me going. Might have to drop one by, don't think you would notice until I picked it up restored. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #219 Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Umm, can you say...hand cramp? I wondered how you were getting them so clean Martin. Craig, I don't like to blast aluminum with anything except walnut shell or plastic bead, but we are all out right now and don't have any jobs that use it. its also a real pain to change over media on one of the cabinets, so I'm stuck with glass bead. One of my bosses at work told me to try very low pressure (around 30-35 lbs) and keep the nozzle way back and just brush off the corrosion. works great, but you really have to be very thorough at masking and it takes a while to get it looking right..... i wanted to do all of it before pulling the engine down, that way i could see if any made it inside. when i pulled the heads and the sump you could see that the gaskets sealed well, so I'm happy...... heres a before and after on the heads...... and heres a reminder of what the block once looked like..... Edited February 25, 2014 by Martin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,487 #220 Posted February 25, 2014 You know Martin, I like reading about your tractor as its being done more than I like working on my 854. Now what the heck is going on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowtiebutler956 649 #221 Posted February 25, 2014 That should be one very grateful Onan, as I'm sure its never been shown so much love in its life. Matt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin 2,130 #222 Posted February 25, 2014 worked on joining the inlet manifold back together today. firstly i had to clean off all that crud and corrosion..... then both pieces were subjected to a scotchbrite rubbing all over, while my fingers were subjected to getting worn out just a little more........ then i gave both pieces a good wash with brake cleaner and got some rivets and permatex #2 for sealing. i use ultra black for sealing just about everything but supposedly it isn't recommended to use on parts subjected to gasoline..... put a nice flat bead all around the sealing area on both pieces...... placed both pieces together and now time to rivet...... used 1/8 aluminum rivets to join the halves back together..... finally i cleaned all the excess sealer off to make it look pretty..... thats all for today though, sitting inside red squaring....... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vinylguy 4,666 #223 Posted February 25, 2014 Is it ok to RedSquare on a round stool? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodchuckfarmer 333 #224 Posted February 26, 2014 Great pictures, great job, keep up the good work....Wayne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackhammer 544 #225 Posted February 28, 2014 Looking mighty fine Martin, were still watching Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
