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  1. Seat safety switch

    Hey..thanks a lot..I was looking at the schematics in the manuals and I could not figure it out. And no where in the manuals does it show or explain where the thing is. It mentions it in the little list of switches but that is it. These old 1998 manuals are really lacking in detail. That is where I will look. I wonder if the problem I am having could somehow be connected to that switch. Hmmmm........... When the lever is pushed forward to turn on/engage the PTO so the mower blades will turn, the motor dies. Somehow, SOMETHING is not working right. Shoot, it was working perfectly about a week before I ran into the problem. Got lots of mowing done. Put the machine up, went out a week later and there's the problem. Just weird. Thanks again....I will tear into it and see what the deal is.
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    Thanks. I can get one at our local auto parts house tomorrow. Will I check for the strength of the spark...is that the thing I will look for?
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    Just to clarify, because I'm not sure I understand ... You've completely removed or at least loosened the mower drive belt, the one that goes from the engine to the mule drive and back to the mower deck? If so, how is it that the blades can still turn when you move the PTO lever? One other thought -- can you rotate the mower pulleys or the blades by hand? There's not a big rock or something else jammed up under the deck, is there? thank you for the inquiry. Yes, I completely removed the belt from the PTO pulley after loosening the tension with the knob on the mule drive. I took the belt completely off the PTO pulley. Yep, the blades turn easily by hand. No binding there.
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    Good idea: 1. Mower starts fine and the smoke problem seems to have diminished greatly. Will tackle that problem a little later if it persists. 2. Main problem now is the motor dying when I slowly push the PTO engage lever forward...the engine will die even when the PTO belt is removed from the pulley. Whatever I do, the engine will try to die when the blades first start to turn and if I push the lever a little farther, it will die. Mower will not continue to run if the PTO lever is fully forward. 3. The Seat Safety Switch light on the instrument panel remains lit when key is on whether I am sitting firmly on the seat of not sitting. The little red light stays lit. I have raised the seat, disconnected the seat switch from the plug, put in a jumper wire and the seat light remains on and has no effect on the engine dying when the PTO lever is engaged. 4. Haven't ferreted out the magneto check yet as I was not sure where it was or what it looked like. The owner and user manuals that I have are not very thorough and the trouble shooting is sadly lacking in details and analyses. The problem is that I don't read schematics. Never had the need to. Sure would come in handy though for stuff like this. Electrical problems can be a epic event to diagnose, esp. in much larger items like cars and trucks. This mower should be a lot simpler. Someone mentioned a PTO switch. I have no idea where that is and the manuals only give a passing mention of it...nothing about its location or trouble shooting techniques. I have a little volt meter and I would assume I could check the voltage output in some way to test if the magneto was putting out a current. If it is, then obviously, that would eliminate any magneto problems wouldn't it? The way I understand it, the magneto does much the same job as a generator....produces electricity.
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    Well....shoot. Hmmmmm........I'll go out in a little bit and take a look again at the stuff under the hood. Will the magneto be housed under a cover or internally inside something?. Bet I can find it. It should stick out like a sore thumb tho unless it is under a cover of some sort.
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    I haven't seen this device anywhere under the hood. Here is a photo of something that is connected to the starter by a heavy gauge wire
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    We had a conversation on the "old" Red Square site about this same issue. As I remember, there was debate as to if it was a mechanical issue bogging the engine or an electrical issue just shutting down the ignition circuit. In your instance, and in my opinion, the white smoke is the show stopper here. It is the most significant issue you currently have on the tractor and you probably should not consider mowing with it until your "bug fogger" turns back into a tractor once again. So here is what I remember as the highlights from that discussion (maybe someone can point that post or even the owner of that tractor could chime in - for the life of me I can not remember how that one was resolved). Eliminate the mechanical part of the argument by disconnecting any belts from the PTO bell. Make sure the PTO bell spins freely when the PTO lever is not engaged. Restart the engine and engage the PTO lever. With nothing to MECHANICALLY bog the engine down, the engine should continue to run. If the engine dies, I would say the issue is the ignition system being shut down. I'll take a look at the schematics for your particular tractor and get back to you later this morning. If you have the opportunity, I would have you disconnect the kill wire from the magneto, run the engine, engage he PTO and see if the engine stills runs. Yes? Then reconnect the kill wire to kill the engine. Attach the mower belt back to the PTO bell, remove the kill wire, restart the engine and engage the PTO. Still running? Yes ? Then we have a safety switch / wiring issue. I'll post later regarding additional checks. Got out the manuals today and tried to see how to get the belt off the PTO bell...no help. Those old manuals just do not cut it at all when it comes to thing like that but will go to the internet where I think I can find out the info. I wonder if I have to drop the mower deck to loosen the belt enough to give the belt enough slack. Thanks The center photo is the heavy wire connecting what I believe is the magneto to the starter. The left photo is what I think the magneto is. The right photo is the dash board with the various gauges and the vertical row of little lights. The two that are lit up are the Seat Safety Switch light...stays on all the time with or without jumper. The other one is the brake light that remains on even though the brake is not locked. I'll disconnect the heavy gauge wire from what I believe to be the magneto and see if that does anything.
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    We had a conversation on the "old" Red Square site about this same issue. As I remember, there was debate as to if it was a mechanical issue bogging the engine or an electrical issue just shutting down the ignition circuit. In your instance, and in my opinion, the white smoke is the show stopper here. It is the most significant issue you currently have on the tractor and you probably should not consider mowing with it until your "bug fogger" turns back into a tractor once again. So here is what I remember as the highlights from that discussion (maybe someone can point that post or even the owner of that tractor could chime in - for the life of me I can not remember how that one was resolved). Eliminate the mechanical part of the argument by disconnecting any belts from the PTO bell. Make sure the PTO bell spins freely when the PTO lever is not engaged. Restart the engine and engage the PTO lever. With nothing to MECHANICALLY bog the engine down, the engine should continue to run. If the engine dies, I would say the issue is the ignition system being shut down. I'll take a look at the schematics for your particular tractor and get back to you later this morning. If you have the opportunity, I would have you disconnect the kill wire from the magneto, run the engine, engage he PTO and see if the engine stills runs. Yes? Then reconnect the kill wire to kill the engine. Attach the mower belt back to the PTO bell, remove the kill wire, restart the engine and engage the PTO. Still running? Yes ? Then we have a safety switch / wiring issue. I'll post later regarding additional checks. Got out the manuals today and tried to see how to get the belt off the PTO bell...no help. Those old manuals just do not cut it at all when it comes to thing like that but will go to the internet where I think I can find out the info. I wonder if I have to drop the mower deck to loosen the belt enough to give the belt enough slack. Thanks
  9. Seat safety switch

    We had a conversation on the "old" Red Square site about this same issue. As I remember, there was debate as to if it was a mechanical issue bogging the engine or an electrical issue just shutting down the ignition circuit. In your instance, and in my opinion, the white smoke is the show stopper here. It is the most significant issue you currently have on the tractor and you probably should not consider mowing with it until your "bug fogger" turns back into a tractor once again. So here is what I remember as the highlights from that discussion (maybe someone can point that post or even the owner of that tractor could chime in - for the life of me I can not remember how that one was resolved). Eliminate the mechanical part of the argument by disconnecting any belts from the PTO bell. Make sure the PTO bell spins freely when the PTO lever is not engaged. Restart the engine and engage the PTO lever. With nothing to MECHANICALLY bog the engine down, the engine should continue to run. If the engine dies, I would say the issue is the ignition system being shut down. I'll take a look at the schematics for your particular tractor and get back to you later this morning. If you have the opportunity, I would have you disconnect the kill wire from the magneto, run the engine, engage he PTO and see if the engine stills runs. Yes? Then reconnect the kill wire to kill the engine. Attach the mower belt back to the PTO bell, remove the kill wire, restart the engine and engage the PTO. Still running? Yes ? Then we have a safety switch / wiring issue. I'll post later regarding additional checks. Got out the manuals today and tried to see how to get the belt off the PTO bell...no help. Those old manuals just do not cut it at all when it comes to thing like that but will go to the internet where I think I can find out the info. I wonder if I have to drop the mower deck to loosen the belt enough to give the belt enough slack. Thanks I had never had to fiddle with the PTO belt and you're perfectly right, I loosened the belt, removed it from the PTO pulley and started the machine, eased the PTO lever forward...mower died. OH....the magneto...not sure about what that is. I have the manuals and none of them show a picture of that. So, I took a couple of photos...maybe you can tell.Well, I took them but for some reason, the site is not letting me browse to my pictures and put them on here for ou to see. I "think" I know which picture shows the magneto.
  10. Seat safety switch

    We had a conversation on the "old" Red Square site about this same issue. As I remember, there was debate as to if it was a mechanical issue bogging the engine or an electrical issue just shutting down the ignition circuit. In your instance, and in my opinion, the white smoke is the show stopper here. It is the most significant issue you currently have on the tractor and you probably should not consider mowing with it until your "bug fogger" turns back into a tractor once again. So here is what I remember as the highlights from that discussion (maybe someone can point that post or even the owner of that tractor could chime in - for the life of me I can not remember how that one was resolved). Eliminate the mechanical part of the argument by disconnecting any belts from the PTO bell. Make sure the PTO bell spins freely when the PTO lever is not engaged. Restart the engine and engage the PTO lever. With nothing to MECHANICALLY bog the engine down, the engine should continue to run. If the engine dies, I would say the issue is the ignition system being shut down. I'll take a look at the schematics for your particular tractor and get back to you later this morning. If you have the opportunity, I would have you disconnect the kill wire from the magneto, run the engine, engage he PTO and see if the engine stills runs. Yes? Then reconnect the kill wire to kill the engine. Attach the mower belt back to the PTO bell, remove the kill wire, restart the engine and engage the PTO. Still running? Yes ? Then we have a safety switch / wiring issue. I'll post later regarding additional checks. Got out the manuals today and tried to see how to get the belt off the PTO bell...no help. Those old manuals just do not cut it at all when it comes to thing like that but will go to the internet where I think I can find out the info. I wonder if I have to drop the mower deck to loosen the belt enough to give the belt enough slack. Thanks I had never had to fiddle with the PTO belt and you're perfectly right, I loosened the belt, removed it from the PTO pulley and started the machine, eased the PTO lever forward...mower died.
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    That is an interesting problem and a good solution. Things do wear out eventually and it calls for unique solutions. I disconnected the seat switch plug and installed a small jumper wire in the plug and the seat switch light on the panel stays on. And with or without the jumper wire, the mower will continue to run if I am sitting or standing up. And the problem of the mower dying when I ease the PTO engaging lever forward, I disconnected the PTO belt from the PTO. Easing the lever forward still kills the mower.
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    Thank you for your information. I did try that and it made no difference. While I sit on the mower and with it running, the little red seat switch light on the panel remains on with the little wire jumper in place. I can raise off the seat and the mower continues to run. I removed the belt from the PTO and with the mower running once again, I eased the PTO lever forward to engage the blades and the mower dies if I move it all the way whether I am sitting on the sear or not.
  13. Seat safety switch

    We had a conversation on the "old" Red Square site about this same issue. As I remember, there was debate as to if it was a mechanical issue bogging the engine or an electrical issue just shutting down the ignition circuit. In your instance, and in my opinion, the white smoke is the show stopper here. It is the most significant issue you currently have on the tractor and you probably should not consider mowing with it until your "bug fogger" turns back into a tractor once again. So here is what I remember as the highlights from that discussion (maybe someone can point that post or even the owner of that tractor could chime in - for the life of me I can not remember how that one was resolved). Eliminate the mechanical part of the argument by disconnecting any belts from the PTO bell. Make sure the PTO bell spins freely when the PTO lever is not engaged. Restart the engine and engage the PTO lever. With nothing to MECHANICALLY bog the engine down, the engine should continue to run. If the engine dies, I would say the issue is the ignition system being shut down. I'll take a look at the schematics for your particular tractor and get back to you later this morning. If you have the opportunity, I would have you disconnect the kill wire from the magneto, run the engine, engage he PTO and see if the engine stills runs. Yes? Then reconnect the kill wire to kill the engine. Attach the mower belt back to the PTO bell, remove the kill wire, restart the engine and engage the PTO. Still running? Yes ? Then we have a safety switch / wiring issue. I'll post later regarding additional checks. Got out the manuals today and tried to see how to get the belt off the PTO bell...no help. Those old manuals just do not cut it at all when it comes to thing like that but will go to the internet where I think I can find out the info. I wonder if I have to drop the mower deck to loosen the belt enough to give the belt enough slack. Thanks
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    Love that photo. Funnnny. I have a relatively new battery and it turns over like a champ. I found a couple of tiny places on one of the wires that goes to a headlight that had a few little chew marks on it from a mouse or rat so I taped them with elec. tape. I am going to explore farther and then, tomorrow I am going to the carb adjustments for lean/rich adjustments to cut down on the white smoke. The problem of the engine dying when slowly engaging the PTO lever still persists. I took a look at the site you referred me to and will take the time to get into that later. If I am not able to correct the PTO problem, i will load the machine up and take it to the person who always works on my machinery and who is the best I know of around here. Thanks for the info and I'll take a look at the SOI site,
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    good point. thanks!!! The owner's/operator's manual also has some excellent wiring schematics.
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