A couple of years ago there was a tiller on ebay, it was 3.5 hr drive for me so I bid $99.00. Well I was the only bidder so I won it. The older gentlemen was the original owner, the tractor was a '97 416-8 with 200hr on it. Tiller was in great shape he said he used the tiller as as much as he used the deck. I ask about buying the tractor, it was in great shape also, he said he planed on using it to pull the grandkid around the neighborhood, but he'd sell the deck. I end up buying the tiller and deck, he threw in a nice 10" Brinly breaking plow. About a year later he called me and asked if I was interested in the tractor, he bought a golf cart and used it to pull the kid around. He said he had been trying to sell it for a few month and nobody wanted it with out the deck. I didn't really want the tractor ( Onan and lot-o- wires ) but he made me an offer I couldn't refuse. The point to all of this is if he had the deck he could have sold the tractor for much more, than he sold them separately to me.