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    O'Fallon, IL
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  1. Ford 1700 Diesel Utility Tractor, deck, and blade

    mower
  2. Yes, I've listed this here before but it got put back to work and is now available again. 1981 (I think) Ford 1700 Compact Utility Tractor, Diesel I used it to mow my previous yard and bush hog my field at my previous property, but have moved and have no need for it anymore. We used it around work for a project for a while and it has been sitting in the building for a couple of years. Approx 25 hp. 12-speed forward, 3-speed reverse. Handles a 6' grooming mower or 5' bush hog with ease in normal conditions. I put a new waterpump in it about 100 hours ago. I put new front tires on it a couple of years ago, one of them leaks sometimes. The rear tires are in good shape and are turf style. It has a good Optima red top battery in it. I changed the oil and trans oil about 25 hours ago so it ought to be ready to use for a while. Has a built in over-running clutch. Live hydraulics. It's in good shape physically and cosmetically. It has some bumps and bruises and thin paint here and there but it's in really good shape for its age. I don't think it ever lived outside in its lifetime. I have NEVER mounted the mower deck to this tractor but it appears to be complete. I used a deck on the 3pt since I already had it and it was a lot easier to deal with. The tractor runs great. Has about 1200 hours showing on the working proofmeter. Everything works on this tractor and it is ready to use. Bear in mind that it is USED and isn't perfect. Occasionally it blows a fuse for the lights and horn. I can get you additional pictures if you require. This will be for PICKUP only in St. Louis, MO. $3500/best What is included in the sale: Ford 1700 diesel tractor. 60" Ford belly mount mower deck (I'll get pictures). 72" rear mounted grader blade. Three front end weights. Remote hydraulic circuit on back (valve needs a handle) Owner's manual couple oil filters I also have a front PTO kit for this, but it is crated up and very hard to access. It's a rare and desired accessory so is available optionally for $400. I'll eventually eBay it. You must pick this up in St. Louis, MO. I have no way to haul it or deliver it. We must make an appointment to pick it up that is mutually agreeable to both of us (i.e. don't just hit the road and expect me to be available...this happened to me before). I wanted to list it here on RS before it went public elsewhere. It's running in these pictures.
  3. ? on demise of Wheel horse

    This topic comes up every year or so and there's been much discussion over it. Bottom line on why Toro dropped the classic tractor: People stopped buying them. Much of it is probably due to society changing. Some of it certainly stems from the design being ancient and less competitive. Some of it has to do with cost. But Wheel Horses were always VERY EXPENSIVE machines. They were priced about the same as JD, CC, and the rest of the upper crust. In the 1990's you could buy a $5000 520H that wasn't all that different than the stuff released in the 1970's. Or you could go to the JD store and for the same price buy something that handled better, was more compact, and looked more contemporary. For about the same price. I think the classic design is pretty timeless, but I wasn't buying new tractors in the 1990's and 2000's. If Chevrolet had only made modest changes to their pickup trucks from the 1970's on, I doubt they would have been big sellers. With regard to metric tools... If you're not a fan of the SI measurement system, stay away from D250's! I wish we would just make the leap and transition over to metric for everything. Since none of us *think* in metric, we see it as a cumbersome system with too much to remember. We have to convert to English units to have a feel for what something weighs or measures to have a feel for things, then perhaps convert back for some other purpose. It's analogous to having a loose grip on a foreign language where you have to translate something first into your native tongue to process it, then back to the foreign for a response. Those that master fluency in another language learn to think in that language. If we weren't prejudiced by our life experiences and had never seen a system of measurements, there would be very few rational people who would pick the English system for their use. Everything in English is arbitrary: 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 5.5 yards to a rod, 320 rods to a mile, etc. Or mass: slugs and pounds-mass. Force: Pounds-force. But wait a second, pounds-force and pounds-mass aren't the same unless you're at sea level? Or volume: Imperial gallons and US gallons. Pints, quarts, teaspoons. Or, there's metric. Every graduation is some change only in the order of magnitude of something. Very intuitive and easy. We just taught ourselves a different system and haven't been able to give it up. But alas, at some point in history the British Empire pretty much ruled everybody so we're stuck with their old measurement system. Had more buyers in the 1990's and 2000's spent more kilometers behind the wheel of a Wheel Horse, maybe we'd still have them around. Or maybe if Toro had cut a few kg's of steel from them to reduce the cost, they would have been competitive. But unfortunately for us, it didn't happen. Steve
  4. 1987 color brochure, NOS

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  5. Westville Illinois Wheel Horse Guy

    You're looking for Stan. Check your PM's. I sent his contact info. Steve
  6. 60" deck for 520-H

    Estimate pallet size and weight at 30”x72”x15” tall and 350 pounds. You’ll have to contact fastenal 3PL (third party logistics) to get a quote. If guess under $200
  7. 60" deck for 520-H

    60" deck for 520-H. About a 1990 model year. Decent shape. Includes the correct idler assembly (mule drive). The extra crap laying on top of it is not included. Pickup for $150. Cash. Pickup is in North St. Louis County (63138, Spanish Lake). I can palletize and ship. YOU pay shipping (Fastenal, Granite City, IL store "ILMAD"). Add $25 to cover my costs and delivery to Fastenal store. Paypal. Steve
  8. Can we discuss the C-171 again?

    I asked Ed cole about this a couple years ago. Bottom line was the KT series Kohler was a known turkey so WH substituted a Briggs at the last minute.
  9. 1987 color brochure, NOS

    New 1987 full line brochure. 420-LSE front and back cover. Pages all new and crisp. Spine shows some wear from being stacked for 30 years. $15 each including first class postage to CONUS. Other shipping available at cost. PayPal or postal money order. I have a few of these. Pix show front, back, and random inside page.
  10. THE NEW VAN IS HERE

    Wow! I wonder what he did with that thing to keep the interior so nice for 11 years. Maybe had a mattress in back . We have two of those 1-tonners here at work. I don't know the year of either, but one is a V-10 gas with over 425000 miles, the other is a diesel with a little bit more. Both run great, but after 20 trips around the globe there isn't anything in them that doesn't rattle or vibrate. Based on that, I think you'll grow tired of that van before you wear it out. Steve
  11. Dealer List

    Smitty’s lawn and garden supply. Bethalto, IL
  12. What can the older generations take on?

    Just to chime in that ramming snow piles isn’t the only thing that breaks frames... There’s no doubt that ramming things with the snow plow is cause for concern to the transaxle mounting plate, but I’ve parted out several tractors - especially 520h’s - that had broken and torn plates and which showed no signs of ever being wearing a plow. Worst break I ever saw was on a 312h that only ever mowed and carried a front mount generator. That tractor was held together only by the sheet metal tunnel and belt guard and the owner was none the wiser. Sometimes the welds let go. Sometimes the four little bolts work their way through the plate. Sometimes the plate cracks (as pictured )and rips apart...That’s what happened on the 312. The Combined weight of engine, implement, and - to a lesser extent - operator are conspiring at all times to break that plate over every bump. The 60” mower in particular is a killer...combine that with a hefty operator and you got the recipe for trouble my friends, right here in river city. Of course, you won’t be hanging a 60-incher under your oldie. Wheel Horse reinforced the mounting plate somewhere along the line, and even sold a reinforcement plate to help in that area. The D-series and 5xi’s went to full-length frames to get rid of the problem for good. That said, the vast majority of these tractors never suffer a broken frame...so if you drive your tractor like a reasonable person there’s not many tasks you should be afraid to put up against it. Like others have said, you’ll usually run out of traction before you can do any real damage. Although I do recall the legendary Dale from MI ballasted a tractor so heavily that he broke an axle... Work it as hard as you dare. They were built to mostly take it. Steve
  13. Vintage Trucks

    Uncle Ken sure got his money’s worth out of that license plate! steve
  14. Vintage Trucks

    There's some really neat old stuff here and it's fun to look at. Thanks for sharing. I just got rid of my "vintage" '97 F-250. It was a good truck. I missed it for a couple of days after I sold it, but that mourning period was a short one. I don't foresee keeping my current truck more than 5 years before trading it on something with a warranty, good brakes, and good tires. We had a chance at a couple of really nice 1948 IH farm trucks a couple years ago. One a 1.5 ton, the other a 2 ton. One had 22000 miles, the other 30k. Rust free beauties from Kansas. Problem was licensing for them was just too expensive to have desire to deal with. Sweet trucks though. I've kind of soured on old vehicles in general and would never again want one as a daily driver or something I need to depend on. My days of tinkering with old crap is largely over since I've lost the time and desire for my vehicles to get me dirty. But I am SOOOOOOOOO glad guys like you keep them on the road since they are a blast to look at and dream about! Unless an old, completely stock and original, first generation Bronco fell in my lap....that might flip me back. Steve
  15. Warm boots ??

    Sarge, that sucks. I don’t have exactly the same problem, but I also have some frostbite damage on my toes too and can relate. My toes go from being cold to painfully cold even in my living room if I don’t wear shoes or slippers in the house. I’m screwed when I go outside if I’m not moving. Most days in the office my feet are freezing. I take off my shoes and my toes are white. White white. And I’m only 42. Anyway.... In cases like yours (mine too, butprobably to a lesser extent) there just isn’t enough blood circulation in the toes to carry enough heat down there to stay warm. The best boots in the world won’t fix that, although you do still need them for insulation. You need to add actual heat. Either electric socks or disposable heat packs are your answer inside your new boots. I use use the heat packs and tape them to my socks before cramming my foot in my boot. Also, if it’s been a while since you’ve been to the doctor, get your blood pressure and blood sugar checked. Both can cause issues in extremities and compound your problems. Good luck! steve.
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